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<Marex> slapin: poke scottwood
<slapin> Marex: we'll see
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<slapin> hno: pushed samsung support + init_size in the same patch, reverted yours.
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<slapin> hno: please test if nothing is broken
<Marex> slapin: hrm
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<slapin> Marex: hrm?
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<Marex> slapin: nothing ... I'm frustrated
<Marex> slapin: discuss technical stuff
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<Marex> coolness ... we have MX23 USB loader operational now
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<slapin> Marex: any link on USB loader?
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<slapin> hno: ping
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<galex-713> Do CubieBoard support wifi?
<mnemoc> connected over usb, yes
<galex-713> Great :) perfect
<galex-713> More usefull quick and simpler: Where can I find a comparaison table of all those differents mini-computer board (CubieBoard, Mele, MK802, Goosberry, RaspberryPi, Trimslice, nytrogen6x etc.)?
<galex-713> *computers boards
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<hno> slapin, yes?
<hno> hm...
<hno> slapin, hynix datasheet did not match code at all in the higher bits. Why I wrote a hynix section.
<galex-713> Somebody have an answer to my question? no?
<hno> galex-713, they are all quite different.
<galex-713> Yes… But I'm quite a newbie ^^ and It's a bit difficult to chose for me… ^^"
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<mnemoc> galex-713: if you describe what you want we can help you narrowing the options
<galex-713> I would like a device under 50€ with Ethernet and Wifi support, able to support mail, ftp, web, sql, irc, jabber, sip, ssh, dhcp and dns servers in same time, low-consume, power with micro-usb, storage with SATA or USB and the most powerfull (always under 50€)…
<galex-713> I would like know a thing: Seeing the pins on RPi picture I would like know what is their usage? It is possible to plug differents ports (USB, Ethernet, HDMI, SD…) to these pins?
<hno> galex-713, so you want a small server?
<galex-713> Yes
<galex-713> But I wondered if I could add a touchscreen and a keyboard and wifi support to get a personnal smartphone (Made with adhesive tape)
<hno> IP phone yes. Smartphone not really.
<galex-713> Not with usual smartphone network
<hno> You wouldn need battery as well I would think.
<galex-713> Oh! I forgot battery!
<hno> From your description Cubieboard comes closest, but it do not have battery connector in current revision, maybe future.
<hno> also LCD+touch shield is not available yet. Not too hard to build your own if you are a little experienced with building electronics.
<galex-713> I've never experimented in electronic… But I would like it…
<galex-713> Is there a such (or maybe more expansive or without some connectors) computer with touch-shield and battery connector?
<hno> slapin, why did you move generic chip detection to sunxi_nand.c?
<hno> chip page size is not controller dependent in any way.
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<penguin42> lkcl: What happened to your 1st batch of PCBs?
<vgrade> is the other small board a cubie?
<vgrade> sry wrong window
<galex-713> hno: Is is possible to connect to micro USB an adaptater with battery?
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<bsdfox> galex-713, buy a smartphone if you want a smartphone
<bsdfox> or a tablet
<bsdfox> what you describe can't be pieced together (especially not by you, judging by your questions) for anywhere near the price range you indicate
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<galex-713> bsdfox: But I want a device 100% free/open-source/open-hardware
<galex-713> AND I want a keyboard AND a camera
<galex-713> AND I've just 50€
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<bsdfox> galex-713, http://www.lemote.com/en/ but you're going to need more money
<rm> surprised you didn't add "and a pony"
<galex-713> \o/
<galex-713> AND a dogtupus (or a p0nyyyyyy)
<galex-713> Does Lemote sell little arm device ?
<galex-713> *devices
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<bsdfox> stop trolling
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* galex-713 stop trolling
<galex-713> *stops
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<slapin> hno: I hope mtd will be updated and this code will not be needed
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<lkcl> penguin42: don't know. some design fault, don't know what it is, we're leaving it up to wits-tech to fix it.
<gohd260> I have an allwinner A13 tablet. It's running Debian from the sd card. Can't get the touchscreen working right. Using the gt811_ts driver
<penguin42> lkcl: Hmm so you've payed for boards, but they're saying there's a design fault and they won't tell you what?
<lkcl> penguin42: correct!
<penguin42> lkcl: Bizarre!
<lkcl> luckily we agreed with them that they'd pay for a rework if there was a fault
* lkcl shrugs
<gohd260> Can anybody help me out?
<lkcl> being philosophical about it, we don't care - we trust them that they'll fix it!
<penguin42> lkcl: Well it's not very open is it
<lkcl> penguin42: if you can think of a sentence to write which will convince people of a chinese culture disposition to respond then i will quite happily send it on to them.
<lkcl> from what i can gather it's just a cultural thing - "face-saving". we're working on them. *gently*.
<penguin42> lkcl: I don't know enough Chinese to be able to, but something like 'We find openness about problems more respectful than hiding errors@
<L84Supper> sheesh there are enough working examples of a10 boards
<lkcl> L84Supper: the space here is very very tight.
<lkcl> we had one PCB manufacturer actually say that it's impossible to get the components onto the PCB
<L84Supper> I tried to warn you
<lkcl> it's ok: i knew it was tight.
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<L84Supper> USB is just a differential pair and power detect
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<gohd260> I have an allwinner A13 tablet. It's running Debian from the sd card. Can't get the touchscreen working right. Using the gt811_ts driver
<gohd260> Can anybody help out?
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<gohd260> No matter where I touch the click is in the upper left corner.
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<penguin42> L84Supper: Well the Pi guys screwed up their USB as well - it's amazing how hard it is to get 4 wires right....
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<hno> gohd260, sounds like the triver have lost all calibration.
<hno> penguin42, it's a bit more than 4 wires. The power control is easy to get wrong.
<penguin42> hno: Yeh I knowm
<hno> esp on an OTG port.
<penguin42> working OTG ports seem to be pretty damn rare
<L84Supper> penguin42: I recall the USB driver issues and the poly-fuses
<hno> penguin42, there is more working OTG ports than there is working OTG drivers.
<penguin42> haha
<hno> slapin, why not just update nand_base.c instead and send for review?
<hno> about to submit the u-boot changes anyway.
<hno> well not the mtd part yet.
<brooc> hno, Hi, I was here a couple of days ago.
<brooc> Is there really no way to start developing without an actual board?
<vinifm> how you will test?
<brooc> Some sort of emulator?
<vinifm> i never tried this, emulator are not good
<vinifm> *emulators
<L84Supper> Hi-802, i.MX6 Quad HDMI Stick ($89 incl worldwide shipping, but suddenly actually not available http://armdevices.net/2012/10/16/hi802-i-mx6-quad-hdmi-stick-89-incl-worldwide-shipping-on-armdevices-net-members-store/
<L84Supper> " DELAYED AGAIN. SORRY Freescale only started shipping the i.MX6 Quad-core CPU very recently and that has delayed the supplier, also under pressure from some big customers"
<L84Supper> i.mx6 and the Qualcomm MSM8225 tablets are also delayed....
<vinifm> brooc, but you can cross compile
<brooc> But will I do with the compiled binary?
<brooc> Who will test it for me?
<vinifm> it is possible to test in cell phones or tablets
<vinifm> i already did
<brooc> How is that done?
<brooc> What OS do those run?
<vinifm> android
<vinifm> you cross compile, transfer the file, and run it
<vinifm> but you must a android rooted
<brooc> Let me check which processor I have on my phone
<vinifm> mine is arm11
<vinifm> android 2.3
<brooc> cortex a9
<brooc> I have the Galaxy Nexus
<vinifm> good :)
<brooc> Android 4.3
<brooc> 4.2
<brooc> Will this work?
<vinifm> yes, just rooted it
<brooc> Already rooted
<vinifm> ok, i can upload a file for you to test
<brooc> How do I place the compiled binaries in the right place?
<brooc> Sure
<brooc> What will it do?
<vinifm> printf("Hello ARM!")
<vinifm> :)
<brooc> ok
<brooc> Where do I place it?
<vinifm> you can place in sdcard
<vinifm> just 1 minute
<brooc> In the file system I mean
<brooc> What's the difference between A9 and A10?
<vinifm> you also must a terminal emulator + busybox
<brooc> I have both
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<brooc> What's the difference between A9 and A10?
<penguin42> brooc: Be careful, they're different things
<penguin42> brooc: There are a series of cores from ARM called Cortex-A8,A9,A15 (in order of performance)
<penguin42> brooc: The Allwinner A10 is a chip that uses a Cortex-A8 core - confused yet?
<brooc> So the A10 is not in the same series ans the Cortex-Ax?
<hno> brooc, sure you can do a lot of development without actually running the code. And I can arrange for remote access to a device to test things on if interested.
<penguin42> brooc: Correct
<brooc> I am interested
<penguin42> brooc: It's just someone else decided to use 'A' as a naming; in the same way the Apple A4 and A5 chips are a different naming series from the Cortex-A series that they use (and there is a Cortex A5 I think that's not an Apple A5)
<brooc> So what vinifm has now uploaded will not run on my phone?
<brooc> Because he has cross-compiled it for A10
<penguin42> brooc: Not necessarily
<brooc> Allwinner A10 and not the Cortex-A9
<penguin42> brooc: The A10 uses an A8 core
<vinifm> i used arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc
<penguin42> brooc: The A8 core has almost the same instruction set as an A9 (there is an extra SMP prefetch instruction rarely used on a9)
<vinifm> it is generic
<penguin42> brooc: There are also some options that may or may not be on some chips that you get into trouble with
<brooc> It sounds like there is very little risk here
<brooc> Am I correct?
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<penguin42> brooc: Generally if you compile something for ARMv7 without NEON you're safe for stuff to run on any Cortex-A8,A9
<penguin42> brooc: Oh it shouldn't break anything if it's just a userland program
<brooc> right, but kernel stuff might?
<brooc> vinifm, what do I do with the file?
<penguin42> brooc: SO there are 3 naming systems here; the ARM cortex chip numbering (A8, A9, A15 etc), ALlwinners chip name (A10, A13), and the ARM instruction set versions (ARMv7, ARMv7M and the option of NEON)
<penguin42> brooc: Kernel building is much more random - generally on ARM you'll need something built for at least the specific chip and possibly the speciific board you're using (although that's trying to be fixed)
<vinifm> transfer to sdcard, chmod u+x test, ./test
<vinifm> actually you can place anywhere, but the sdcard is better
<vinifm> I just could not test drivers
<hno> brooc, then if you want to make a sky dive I would suggest adding sunxi i2c driver to arm-soc/for-next tree as a reasonable goal.
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<brooc> I keep getting bad mode
<brooc> when I chmod 777 test I get operation not permitted
<vinifm> type: su and try again
<brooc> I did but I doesn't ask for root permission for some reason
<brooc> hno, do I do that by getting the i2c driver from the main linux kernel and start trying to compile in the sunxi branch?
<brooc> that is of course after I get my toolchain set u[
<brooc> up
<vinifm> hum, i got: sh: ./test: Permission denied
<vinifm> I remembered, for work I installed linux for android
<vinifm> but just need to remount the partition w+r
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<brooc> hno, can you please direct me to where I can start reading on porting this driver
<brooc> I have not done anything like this before so I have some reading to do
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<brooc> hno?
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<mnemoc> mripard: beside $work$ been eating me soul the main reason why I didn't move forward with the pinctrl driver is because I still don't fully understand how to represent them in DT in a decent manner. if you can add the basic infrastructure and some part of the A13 (chip id AW1626)'s pinctrl/gpiolib I can follow you with A10 (AW1623) and A10S (chipid still unknown, until someone gets access to a device)
<mripard> mnemoc: it's quite messy at the moment, but I kind of like the representation the freescale's guy have chosen
<mripard> it's basically a number
<mripard> which is 0x<bankid><pinid><function>
<mripard> so if you want to mux pin 10 of the first bank to the third function
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<mripard> you'll end up with 0x10a3
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<mripard> and the extra informations, like pullups, drive strength and so on, are regular dt properties
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<mnemoc> btw we have 11 banks with up to 32 pins each
<mripard> do we ?
<mripard> on the A10 datasheet, it looks like there is only 9 of them
<mripard> with completely random number of pins
<mripard> it's a good thing if it's that simple :)
<slapin> hno: better path is to make them update mtd from Linux, as they do it from time to time
<mnemoc> mripard: right, 9
<slapin> hno: Marex says we need to poke scottwood for that
<mripard> mnemoc: and do you know what the functions 0 and 1 are for the pins ?
<mnemoc> 0 is input, 1 is output
<mripard> it's present sometimes on the FEX documentation
<mripard> oh, so GPIOs, ok.
<mnemoc> mripard: and the max per bank in A10 are { 18, 24, 25, 28, 12, 6, 12, 28, 22 }, A13 are { 0, 10, 17, 22, 12, 6, 9 } and A10S { 18, 21, 20, 28, 12, 6, 14 }.
<mnemoc> with "P%c%u",'A'+i, j as the traditional name
<mripard> I see
<slapin> hno: ping
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<mripard> mnemoc: also, do you happen to know the register layout of the PIO stuff
<mripard> the PIO_REG_CFG and all macros in pin_ops.c are supposed to give me an hint
<mripard> but the results collides between banks and pins
<mripard> so I'm not quite sure about it.
<mnemoc> 1m
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<empat0> I'm happy. I just got lincedarv to decode ALL MPEG4's! Those two or three which do not work also fail on the android reference player!
<mnemoc> mripard: I have that stuff, but I had to move my stuff out of the $work$ server and having a hard time to find it
<mripard> mnemoc: that's not urgent to the minute, don't worry :)
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<mnemoc> mripard:
<mnemoc> mripard: http://sprunge.us/iicc?c
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<mripard> mnemoc: thanks :)
<mnemoc> mripard: hope that helps :)
<mripard> yep
<mripard> in the time being, I wrote a small python script that generates the register layout from the allwinner's magic macros :)
<vinifm> mnemoc: sw-uart.c to be ported to A13?
<mripard> I guess I'll write a wiki page for that
<mripard> just to keep track of this.
<mripard> with your code, now I know what are the offsets and what size have the values
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<vinifm> i mean, sw-uart.c can be ported to A13?
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<mnemoc> vinifm: nothing to port, the contorller is the same
<mnemoc> mripard: we have incomplete http://linux-sunxi.org/A10/PIO and http://linux-sunxi.org/A13/PIO pages
<mnemoc> but a generic [[PIO]] for the controller itself would be good
<mripard> aaaah, interesting, thanks.
<mnemoc> mripard: also, I just uploaded the A10S datasheet to http://dl.linux-sunxi.org/A10s/
<mnemoc> mripard: it's a sun5i
<vinifm> but why sw-uart is not into linux-sunxi 3.0?
<mripard> mnemoc: what's the difference with A13 then ?
<mripard> ah, supports more RAM from the wiki, ok.
<mripard> the datasheet contains more stuff though
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<Marex> slapin: see my google+ ... git.bfuser.eu
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<Marex> mripard: smile :D
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<mnemoc> mripard: different pins, and has ethernet and hdmi
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<mnemoc> vinifm: we have a 8250 driver in 3.0 and 3.4
<vinifm> ok
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<mripard> mnemoc: I see, so it's a sun4i without SATA basically?
<RaYmAn> without sata,hdmi, Ethernet and with fewer pins. and supposedlya more manageable package
<Marex> RaYmAn: A13 ?
<RaYmAn> yeah
<RaYmAn> Imight have missed the conch and it was really about a10s?
<mripard> RaYmAn: yes, it was about A10s :)
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<Marex> RaYmAn: I keep pondering how that CM10 was built for the MK802
<Marex> RaYmAn: I'd like to try and build one myself (since i need some additional features) ... but I can't find any understandable howto
<mnemoc> mripard: it also has less of each thing, 4 uarts instead of 8, etc.
<slapin> what is all ravings and screaming about 0x202e? I hate when I can't understand trends :(
* slapin is frustrated
<Marex> slapin: :D
<mripard> mnemoc: ok
<Marex> slapin: you mean ‮ this ?
<Marex> oops
<Marex> slapin: U+202e is force right-to-left unicode character
<Marex> slapin: it was in one of the latest xkcd
<slapin> ah, I remember that, but I didn't understand it too
<Marex> ;-)
* slapin feels ignorant
<Marex> slapin: run 'kcharselect' or the like, search the character, copy to clipboard ... paste it to google
<Marex> check the firefox window name :D
<Marex> funny
<Marex> slapin: laugh, it's supposed to be funny ;-)
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<slapin> Marex: it prints backwards
<slapin> Marex: some of messages
<slapin> Marex: and window title
<slapin> hmmmmm
<slapin> sorta google humour
<slapin> in gtk you just have to shift-ctrl-u then type hex numbers (output is very confusing, just like with Japanese input methods), then after pressing ender it disappears
<Turl> ‮hello dudes :D
<Turl> you can right click -> insert an unicode control char too :P
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<slapin> Turl: not in my iceweasel though
<Turl> you can on pidgin or any other gtk app
<slapin> Turl: but not in firefox, since they use some custom menus
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