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<lmatteis>
jgarzik: that domain is cool
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<gmaxwell>
lmatteis: the more recent stuff has been less fun; the old pranks are pretty good.
<waxwing>
"In the 1470990 times this simulation has run, players have won $29757157"
<gmaxwell>
neat simulator though. :P
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<hulkhogan_>
following the list discussion has been the biggest learning experience since i got into bitcoin, esp seeing 'the process' happen in real-time, instead of reading about it later..
<hulkhogan_>
hats off there !
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<amiller>
it seems like when the SCIPR team made optimizations on the original GGPR snark protocol, they introduced an optimization that wrecks the entire scheme
<amiller>
"the protocol does not appear in that peer-reviewed paper; instead, it appears only in a technical report, where it is justified via a lemma that lacks a proof. Unfortunately, the lemma is incorrect, and the modified protocol is unsound. With probability one, an adversary can submit false statements and proofs that the verifier will accept."
<kanzure>
neat
<kanzure>
i wonder how incorrect it is
<amiller>
well, seems like it's pretty dangerously incorrect, but also fixable
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<amiller>
"libsnark authors are developing a patch.... Preliminary performance results suggest that for applications with small IO relative to the computation, the performance impact is quite small"
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<gmaxwell>
Good thing no one wanted to build something with unboudned undetectable inflation based on that.... :)
<gmaxwell>
amiller: is the problem related to vanishing inputs?
<gmaxwell>
(like you pass in zeros and end up with a zero proof which is trivially true?)
<gmaxwell>
(I ask because the comment about IO and that input consistency validation was something I didn't really get)
<amiller>
i dunno, the high level idea is that the scipr optimization ensures that some set of polynomials is distinct
<amiller>
but actually what's required is to show that the set of polynomials are all linearly independent, and their optimization doesn't guarantee that
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<nsh>
hm
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<nsh>
what's the d-PKE assumption?
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<nsh>
power knowledge of exponent
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