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<mryandao> has anyone seen this?
<mryandao> so if the malicious spender doublespends, miners get to reap all the outputs, essentially, payee still gets nothing :(
<sipa> ha, sounds like a great deal for miners to collude with the attacker
<mryandao> thats what I was thinking too
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<petertodd> mryandao: that's not a few idea - see scorched earth full-rbf
<mryandao> with scorthed earth rbf there's still the probability that the scorthed earth transaction does not arrive at the miner in time before the doublespend is confirmed.
<mryandao> the linked work basically gives miners free money when the doublespend takes place, if I understood it correctly.
<mryandao> since it reveals the private key
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<nsh> you can do it also with threshold anyone-can-spend sigs
<nsh> (haven't read the linked work yet, maybe does something similar)
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<petertodd> mryandao: the miners still need to know about the double-spend, which isn't guaranteed
<nsh> what's the term by which we call this assumption? gossip saturation or something better?
<nsh> (that a tx will be seen by ~the whole network within some time)
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<bsm1175322> nsh: censorship resistance?
<nsh> i guess kinda but people assume properties that don't obtain even in absence of partition/censorship attacks
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<nsh> it'll be one or more of the canonical eight fallacies of distributed computing
<bsm1175322> Yes, "the network is reliable"
<nsh> 1. The network is reliable * 5. Topology doesn't change.
<bsm1175322> mumble mumble bounded synchronicity
<nsh> now i want to reread the jung-pauli correspondence and interpret it terms of distributed consensus
<nsh> but perhaps i'm not that masochistic this weekend
<renlord> petertodd: hmm yes.
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