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<stevenroose> I was thinking about a sidechain idea
<stevenroose> How feasible would it be to have a sidechain that uses PoS but where the staking asset is Bitcoin.
<stevenroose> And stakers buy mining tickets by providing SPV stale coin proves
<stevenroose> s/mining/staking/
<stevenroose> This allows bitcoin holders to stake on multiple of those sidechains
<stevenroose> It does not allow support for the more complex staking incentivization like Casper is trying to do with punishing stakers that stake on multiple forks etc
<stevenroose> (i.e. you cannot take a stakers money)
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<nsh> what would the PoS achieve, stevenroose?
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<stevenroose> nsh: result would me more or less similar to a merge mined sidechain
<stevenroose> as a trade-off for the probably bigger pos proofs that will be included in blocks, you may have more regular block times and a consensus system that doesn't increase the earnings of existing pow miners
<nsh> no i mean, what would be the value of having tokens in the sidechain
<nsh> which are backed in whatever way by PoS in the mainchain
<stevenroose> the tokens are still just pegged bitcoins
<stevenroose> srry, I'm talking about a two-way pegged sidechain
<nsh> why would i want 999 instead of 0 of these?
<stevenroose> since the consensus is on stale bitcoin proofs, technically, they can be mainchain verified
<nsh> (for instance i have 0 bitcoins and you can use them to buy drugs and small islands these days)
<stevenroose> just like merge mine proofs
<stevenroose> nsh: I don't get your question
<kanzure> stevenroose: what were the drivechain criticisms?
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<stevenroose> I have to go, I can be back in like an hour
<nsh> ok, forget i asked :)
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<stevenroose> kanzure: tell me :)
<kanzure> i asked first
<stevenroose> well, I don't know. I read the first sidechain paper from blockstream but never fully read into drivechains
<stevenroose> what I understood from comments is that it requires miners to do cross-chain validation
<stevenroose> what I got from the sidechain paper's two-way peg was that the whole idea should be that pegs should be verifiable without having knowledge of the sidechain
<stevenroose> by using SPV proofs
<stevenroose> that made it quite a requirement for sidechains to have a similar PoW than Bitcoin has, in order to quantify the amount of work the SPV proofs contained
<stevenroose> but a standardized way to build stake proofs in the bitcoin protocol could work in that way as welll
<stevenroose> a stale coin proof could be an SPV proof of a tx that creates an output and then another that spends that output X blocks later, in which X * the amount would be the cointime value of the stake
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