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<yoleaux> [bitcoin-dev] Rebatable fees & incentive-safe fee markets
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<etsh> kanzure not everything has to be on the blockchain, third party miners can already offer rebatable fees
<etsh> there's literally no reason to have that onchain, that's an undue externality on the rest of the network and favors them
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<stevenroose> Chris_Stewart_5, I coined a similar idea last week, using mainchain stake to PoS a sidechain
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<maaku> So since finalizing segwit is has become clear that script commitment version and script feature version are in fact two different script versions and should be separated. The commitment version specifies how the script is hashed to be checked against the witness commitment, and only really needs to be changed if this hashing mechanism changes.
<maaku> E.g. MAST, or a natively merklized script like DEX or Simplicity
<maaku> The 'script version' gating otherwise hard-fork script feature changes is logically separate and arguably should be in the witness. We can imagine that v0 should have interpreted the top stack element as "integer script version, then serialized script". a straight forward proposal to fix this is to do exactly that in script v1
<maaku> I tried my hand yesterday at doing this as a soft-fork within the current consensus rules for v0, so as to not required a hashing type version change. This is the best I came up with:
<maaku> <version> DROP2* DROP? (DEPTH (IF DROP DEPTH ENDIF)+)? (DEPTH NOTIF PUSH<520>[...]+ ENDIF)? PUSH<minimal, [1, 520]>[...]
<maaku> Complex enough that it's probably not worth pursuing, but I'm curious if anyone can find a better, especially a significant better solution
<maaku> The DROPs remove a variable number of witness stack elements, the pushes encode the serialized script, and the NOTIF makes sure only only one element is left on the stack for the CLEANSTACK rule
<maaku> Whoops, should be this: <version> DROP2* DROP? (DEPTH (IF DROP DEPTH ENDIF)+)? (DEPTH NOTIF PUSH<520>[…]* PUSH<minimal, [1, 520]>[] ENDIF)? TRUE
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