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<luke-jr> has anyone looked into the concept of transaction recipients only being valid if the recipient himself in some way or another also signs the tx?
<luke-jr> eg, so people cannot send you bitcoins without your consent
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<zmnscpxj_> luke-jr: you mean like in Lightning?
<luke-jr> zmnscpxj_: maybe. I was thinking on-chain
<luke-jr> something to combat the IRS's nonsensical "airdrops are yours whether you like it or not" nonsense
* luke-jr ponders if Lightning is sufficient for this
<zmnscpxj_> same principle applies I think: require that it first pays to a 2-of-2 with you and the sender, meaning it is not truly yours *yet* since both of you have to come to an agreement on how to spend the coin
<zmnscpxj_> then choose whether you would agree to send it back or accept it or something....
<zmnscpxj_> *shrug*
<luke-jr> you can't send things back - there's no source
<luke-jr> err, maybe in your case there is kind of interactively
<zmnscpxj_> Then it gets stuck in a 2-of-2 forever, which you can plausibly claim is not truly yours (maybe?)
<luke-jr> but still, that's pretty ugly :P
<zmnscpxj_> I suppose
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<luke-jr> hmm, I'm not sure my idea would actually prevent unwelcome airdrops anyway
<luke-jr> the goal may be impossible given the absurdity of the rule
<zmnscpxj_> yes
<zmnscpxj_> The rule is congruent to somebody dumping crap on your lawn and then claiming that the crap is a gift for you and you now owe donation taxes on it
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<yanmaani> luke-jr: You could have transactions require out-of-band communication to you.
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<yanmaani> So, you post a master public key, and then ask people to pick a random (large) index and send it to you out of band
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<andytoshi> mimblewimble transactions are like this, but it's generally considered a bad thing
<andytoshi> it's hard to separate "can't airdrop to you" from "can't send to you without your keys being hot"
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