#bitcoin-wizards on 2020-07-09 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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03:30 <kanzure> "The provable security of ed25519" https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/823.pdf

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11:19 <waxwing> it's a nearly irrelevant detail to the paper, but in its introduction it says "A high profile example ... is the Mt Gox attack on Bitcoin" (related to strong unforgeability).

11:19 <waxwing> the article it cites though states, afaik correctly, "Since the Mt Gox incident is so famous, I want to point out that it’s not known definitively if transaction malleability is actually what caused Mt Gox to become insolvent"

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11:19 <waxwing> it's one of those things that became folklore without it really being a fact .. or am I wrong about that?

11:20 <belcher> im pretty sure mtgox was hacked several times, and that transaction malleability incident was just one

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11:21 <waxwing> well for sure on the former; on the latter, one thign is certain: that karpeles claimed at some point that malleability was involved, but i'm just wondering if it is more a case of he *claimed* that or if there's solid reasons to believe it.

11:22 <waxwing> after all, he had very good reasons to claim it even if it wasn't the case.

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14:06 <roconnor> The bigger issue with that statement in the introduction is that ECDSA (and EdDSA AFAIU) both still have 1st party signature malleability, which is what would have been used in the Mt. Gox incident if indeed the hack was malleability related, amoung the many many ways that that txids can be malleated.

14:23 <real_or_random> you should read https://arxiv.org/abs/1403.6676 by cdecker

14:25 <real_or_random> in particular section 6

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16:57 <instagibbs> "merely 300k BTC" heh

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17:01 <instagibbs> roconnor, withdawals were supposedly the one malleated, tricking their withdrawal system to send more BTC than they were supposed to

17:02 <instagibbs> first party malleability I don't think is super connected

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17:03 <roconnor> oh right. I thought it was deposits.

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17:04 <roconnor> thanks for setting me straight.

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