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<AceHigh> hey all!
<AceHigh> i'm looking for a C++ dev to modify a bit of the bitcoin core and assist in creating a new network
<AceHigh> (paid)
<fluffypony> AceHigh: no.
<AceHigh> heh
<AceHigh> why?
<fluffypony> read the topic.
<AceHigh> oh, you mean that way
<AceHigh> right, it's sort of "theoretical idea"
<AceHigh> ii do need it short term though :)
<queip> AceHigh: creating altcoins is generally seen as scammy and not a good place for it here
<AceHigh> but ok, the wiki description advertises the channel slightly differently
<AceHigh> queip - and yet, litecoin, namecoin, eth...
<AceHigh> i know it's considered scammy
<fluffypony> AceHigh: just say the theoretical idea then
<queip> AceHigh: do you have an interesting innovatory idea to discuss, like mathematical etc
<AceHigh> I want to duplicate the existing consensus and adhear to it on a new network
<fluffypony> you mean like the utxoset?
<fluffypony> or like a sidechain / drivechain?
<AceHigh> unfamiliar with either
<AceHigh> i'm somewhat familiar with the word sidechain, at best here
<fluffypony> maybe start there
<fluffypony> there's a great likelihood that what you're thinking of has been done
<fluffypony> or at least is described in some untrafficked Bitcointalk post from 2011
<AceHigh> yea, but no
<AceHigh> i just want a "regular bitcoin" network that adhears 100% to the consensus of the bitcoin core
<fluffypony> how is that any different from an altcoin
<queip> AceHigh: so it's no innovation in it is there?
<fluffypony> you're like 2 years too late, ForkGen has already been shut down
<AceHigh> fluffypony: the innovation is not in a new algorithm
<AceHigh> but rather in a new way to use the existing one
<AceHigh> i don't believe on copyrights
<fluffypony> so then why can't your new way to use it just be applied to Bitcoin?
<AceHigh> and limiting the proliferation of information, knowledge, code
<AceHigh> how do you apply "the new way" to bitcoin?
<AceHigh> bitcoin has a limited capacity with regards to blocksize and tx size
<fluffypony> anything you do on your fork can be done on Bitcoin
<AceHigh> as a result it rises in price
<fluffypony> ok then I suggest you go to the Bitcoin Cash people, they have an unlimited block size
<AceHigh> no fluffypony, i want to copy the existing code and launch a new network based on exactly the same code and consensus
<AceHigh> i don't want to modify the block size
<AceHigh> i'm not a cash person myself
<fluffypony> at no point have you suggested anything even remotely close to an innovation
<AceHigh> ok
<AceHigh> and yet you reject it
<AceHigh> so it's not novel, but no one tried it, or suggested it before
<AceHigh> makes total sense...
<fluffypony> you haven't told us what "it" is
<fluffypony> you want to fork Bitcoin and use it in a "new way"
<AceHigh> it's just that
<AceHigh> copying bitcoin
<fluffypony> that's not theoretical or interesting
<AceHigh> making a new one
<AceHigh> having no modification to it what so ever, apart from the mining function, so that the existing miners will have no affect on the new network
<AceHigh> and so that new miners can be developed
<AceHigh> that is quite literally it
<fluffypony> ok so it's Litecoin
<AceHigh> isn't litecoin modifies the consensus?
<AceHigh> one of the first script based miners, no?
<fluffypony> Litecoin is an exact copy of Bitcoin's code with only the mining algorithm changed
<fluffypony> from sha256 to scrypt
<AceHigh> yea
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<AceHigh> so i want to keep it "asic friendly"
<AceHigh> as opposed to changing that
<AceHigh> and cool, you're actually right, it was done before
<AceHigh> i wanna do it again
<fluffypony> what algorithm do you want to use?
<AceHigh> with the "asic friendlyness"
<AceHigh> fluffypony i thought maybe just upping it to sha512?
<AceHigh> sadly low level math/dev/algo isn't something i'm dabbing in, more of a javascript guy myself
<fluffypony> going from sha256 to sha512 has already been done
<AceHigh> in btc?
<AceHigh> hey, i'm not going for "ultra original never been done before - one in a lifetime stunt"
<AceHigh> i just want to try something new...
<fluffypony> so you can see how it's neither innovative nor interesting
<AceHigh> is there any issue with sha512 ?
<fluffypony> and you should take your idea to some other channel
<AceHigh> fluffypony, well, thanks for judging something as uninteresting while i'm only trying to make it
<AceHigh> but sure...
<fluffypony> bye
<AceHigh> ok...
<AceHigh> thanks :)
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<TheHoliestRoger> lol
* TheHoliestRoger hugs fluffypony
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