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<AceHigh>
hey all!
<AceHigh>
i'm looking for a C++ dev to modify a bit of the bitcoin core and assist in creating a new network
<AceHigh>
(paid)
<fluffypony>
AceHigh: no.
<AceHigh>
heh
<AceHigh>
why?
<fluffypony>
read the topic.
<AceHigh>
oh, you mean that way
<AceHigh>
right, it's sort of "theoretical idea"
<AceHigh>
ii do need it short term though :)
<queip>
AceHigh: creating altcoins is generally seen as scammy and not a good place for it here
<AceHigh>
but ok, the wiki description advertises the channel slightly differently
<AceHigh>
queip - and yet, litecoin, namecoin, eth...
<AceHigh>
i know it's considered scammy
<fluffypony>
AceHigh: just say the theoretical idea then
<queip>
AceHigh: do you have an interesting innovatory idea to discuss, like mathematical etc
<AceHigh>
I want to duplicate the existing consensus and adhear to it on a new network
<fluffypony>
you mean like the utxoset?
<fluffypony>
or like a sidechain / drivechain?
<AceHigh>
unfamiliar with either
<AceHigh>
i'm somewhat familiar with the word sidechain, at best here
<fluffypony>
maybe start there
<fluffypony>
there's a great likelihood that what you're thinking of has been done
<fluffypony>
or at least is described in some untrafficked Bitcointalk post from 2011
<AceHigh>
yea, but no
<AceHigh>
i just want a "regular bitcoin" network that adhears 100% to the consensus of the bitcoin core
<fluffypony>
how is that any different from an altcoin
<queip>
AceHigh: so it's no innovation in it is there?
<fluffypony>
you're like 2 years too late, ForkGen has already been shut down
<AceHigh>
fluffypony: the innovation is not in a new algorithm
<AceHigh>
but rather in a new way to use the existing one
<AceHigh>
i don't believe on copyrights
<fluffypony>
so then why can't your new way to use it just be applied to Bitcoin?
<AceHigh>
and limiting the proliferation of information, knowledge, code
<AceHigh>
how do you apply "the new way" to bitcoin?
<AceHigh>
bitcoin has a limited capacity with regards to blocksize and tx size
<fluffypony>
anything you do on your fork can be done on Bitcoin
<AceHigh>
as a result it rises in price
<fluffypony>
ok then I suggest you go to the Bitcoin Cash people, they have an unlimited block size
<AceHigh>
no fluffypony, i want to copy the existing code and launch a new network based on exactly the same code and consensus
<AceHigh>
i don't want to modify the block size
<AceHigh>
i'm not a cash person myself
<fluffypony>
at no point have you suggested anything even remotely close to an innovation
<AceHigh>
ok
<AceHigh>
and yet you reject it
<AceHigh>
so it's not novel, but no one tried it, or suggested it before
<AceHigh>
makes total sense...
<fluffypony>
you haven't told us what "it" is
<fluffypony>
you want to fork Bitcoin and use it in a "new way"
<AceHigh>
it's just that
<AceHigh>
copying bitcoin
<fluffypony>
that's not theoretical or interesting
<AceHigh>
making a new one
<AceHigh>
having no modification to it what so ever, apart from the mining function, so that the existing miners will have no affect on the new network
<AceHigh>
and so that new miners can be developed
<AceHigh>
that is quite literally it
<fluffypony>
ok so it's Litecoin
<AceHigh>
isn't litecoin modifies the consensus?
<AceHigh>
one of the first script based miners, no?
<fluffypony>
Litecoin is an exact copy of Bitcoin's code with only the mining algorithm changed
<fluffypony>
from sha256 to scrypt
<AceHigh>
yea
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<AceHigh>
so i want to keep it "asic friendly"
<AceHigh>
as opposed to changing that
<AceHigh>
and cool, you're actually right, it was done before
<AceHigh>
i wanna do it again
<fluffypony>
what algorithm do you want to use?
<AceHigh>
with the "asic friendlyness"
<AceHigh>
fluffypony i thought maybe just upping it to sha512?
<AceHigh>
sadly low level math/dev/algo isn't something i'm dabbing in, more of a javascript guy myself
<fluffypony>
going from sha256 to sha512 has already been done