<devyn>
I think this is a pretty good argument against git autodeploy with no ability to test locally (not my commits): http://i3.minus.com/iczltuHs1OXiz.png
<devyn>
whitequark: hahahaha even just the phrasing is so wrong
<devyn>
whitequark: "このがいこくじんは1時間毎3,000円からレンタルできます。" = "This foreigner can be rented for 3,000 yen per hour."
<whitequark>
why is it wrong?
<devyn>
not wrong as in gramatically incorrect or anything, just the idea of "renting a foreigner"
<whitequark>
> "From my personal experience Amazon is a great company to get on with! We have very good benefits and stock options to match. We are treated well and are appreciated"
<whitequark>
what.
<devyn>
lol what is so what about that
<purr>
lol
<joelteon>
america
<joelteon>
NUFF SAID
<whitequark>
I've seen several threads with temp employees answering question
<whitequark>
including from amazon
<whitequark>
100% of them were "we're treated like shit, paid like shit, kill me please"
<whitequark>
and frankly that makes sense
<devyn>
okay, so astroturfing then
<devyn>
not surprising
<devyn>
whitequark: or you know, this person actually does get treated well... I doubt all locations operate the same way
<devyn>
"Fellow Former Amazon employee here, keep on slaving my friend! My location was definitely not a pleasant site to work at. And it definitely changed the way I think about business as a supply chain management student."
<devyn>
response: "it may not be pleasant but now that we have the option to go to school after only one year of employment it definitely puts a nice image of my road ahead in my mind."
<devyn>
"we get treated well" "it may not be pleasant"
<jesusabdullah>
"me love you long time" is a quote from full metal jacket
<devyn>
heh
<glowcoil>
devyn: it's like, a common phrase in culture, from before memes were a thing
<glowcoil>
:p
<devyn>
glowcoil: life before internet? say it isn't so?
<devyn>
interesting. I had no idea where I'd heard it from first
<devyn>
I just assumed it was a meme
<devyn>
that is interesting
<whitequark>
glowcoil: meme is a term from before the internet
<whitequark>
fyi
<devyn>
that's true too
<devyn>
so yes it's still a meme
<devyn>
I suppose
<whitequark>
actually one of the more correct applications of terminology in popculture
<whitequark>
which is interesting of itself
<glowcoil>
whitequark: sure is but not in the internet sense
<glowcoil>
whitequark: not at all in such a specific sense with the connotations of photos overlaid with white-w-black-outline impact text
<whitequark>
there's a reason it's called "internet meme" and not just "meme"
<whitequark>
that's just a tiny category of those
<whitequark>
demotivators that is
<glowcoil>
yes but the way language works is that
<glowcoil>
*nobody* uses meme in the sense of non-internet meme unless they're using it in the sense of evolutionary fitness, in whch case it's clear
<devyn>
glowcoil: what? the internet meme absolutely isn't always image macros with text
<whitequark>
your nobody is someone else's everybody
<glowcoil>
and in which case they're probably writing an article/blog post with a much narrower audience than all of the internet
<glowcoil>
devyn: ...I know that
<whitequark>
additionally, no, people blindly reposting captioned images isn't "all of the internet"
<devyn>
okay
<whitequark>
perhaps you should step out of your echo chamber or something
<glowcoil>
whitequark: also your use of the phrase "correct applications of terminology" betrays your lack of knowledge about how human language works
<glowcoil>
also go talk to a random person on the street
<whitequark>
enlighten me about human languages
<glowcoil>
chances are they'll know about internet memes but not about dawkins selfish memes
<glowcoil>
well, langauges are defined by usage
<glowcoil>
many words you use every day once had a very different, possibly contradictory meaning
<glowcoil>
and you don't even think about it, let alone get your panties in a bunch about it
<whitequark>
exactly, what I was talking about is that in this case, usage is quite close to scientific definition, which is unusual
<glowcoil>
ok that's a better way to put it
<devyn>
that doesn't mean that prescriptive definitions don't exist
<whitequark>
re random person: there's a very high chance random person on the street doesn't have any idea what a meme means
<glowcoil>
devyn: ...which i never implied
<whitequark>
s,means,is
<glowcoil>
devyn: they *exist* but don't define correctness, just what someone with easily bunchable panties wants to impose
<devyn>
glowcoil: they define correctness according to a certain set of standards, so yes
<glowcoil>
whitequark: idk, go to any high school in america and very few people won't know
<glowcoil>
for instance
<glowcoil>
i guess that's a particular demographic but it's almost definitely larger that those who know about dawkins meme
<whitequark>
glowcoil: yeah, I already know americans tend to think world == america
<glowcoil>
devyn: uh hat
<yorickpeterse>
joelteon: yeah, that's me
<glowcoil>
devyn: what*
<whitequark>
don't need to prove it to me again
<glowcoil>
whitequark: that's not at *all* relevant
<glowcoil>
whitequark: what I'm saying is, more people by sheer numbers know what internet memes are than what dawkins memes are
<whitequark>
it is! your perception of usage of the word is absolutely skewed by your personal context
<whitequark>
almost by definition
<devyn>
glowcoil: "correct" needn't necessarily be absolute; it usually isn't
<glowcoil>
whitequark: I acknolwedge that, but are you seriously arguing against my point that more people know what an internet meme is than a selfish meme
<glowcoil>
devyn: I don't even know what you're getting at
<devyn>
01:38:50 < glowcoil> devyn: they *exist* but don't define correctness, just what someone with easily bunchable panties wants to impose
<devyn>
they do define correctness though
<devyn>
according to a certain set of standards
<whitequark>
glowcoil: no, I dunno where you got the part about selfish memes from
<whitequark>
I sure wasn't talking about it
<glowcoil>
whitequark: dawkins *invented* "meme"
<glowcoil>
whitequark: it was coined in the book "the selfish gene"
<whitequark>
oh, it was dawkins
<glowcoil>
as a metaphor for genes
<whitequark>
anyway, what I was saying is
<whitequark>
"09:36 <+whitequark> additionally, no, people blindly reposting captioned images isn't "all of the internet"
<glowcoil>
devyn: yes, but then you have to say "incorrect according to this particular standard", and I objected to whitequark's wording because it implied that the scientific sense of the term was superior to the one used by the masses
<glowcoil>
whitequark: but it's a bigger section of the internet than people discussing the evolutionary fitness of ideas
<devyn>
glowcoil: I see
<whitequark>
usually, the scientific sense *is*
<whitequark>
because it's *useful*
<glowcoil>
useful if you're talking about science
<whitequark>
and the only thing the mass sense of word useful is, is endless holywars on reddit
<whitequark>
specifically because it's so vague anyone can ascribe their desired meaning to it
<glowcoil>
no, it's useful because you can refer to a particular thing with it
<whitequark>
e.g. "climate change" "evolution" and other shit
<glowcoil>
in your everyday life
<glowcoil>
like
<glowcoil>
"oh did you see that meme"
<glowcoil>
that's called useful
<devyn>
++glowcoil
<purr>
Let it be known that devyn loves glowcoil.
<whitequark>
"meme" has pretty much the same meaning
<whitequark>
as I've said, it's a rare case precisely because of that
<glowcoil>
no, that's basically how every word works in all of language
<glowcoil>
that's what I'm trying to get across
<glowcoil>
langauge evolves over time and develops (relevant to our discussion of the word "meme") in such a way that it is optimized for everyday use
<whitequark>
with the implication that there is "a language"
<whitequark>
there is "a set of languages"
<glowcoil>
no, not at all with that implication
<glowcoil>
every person holds their own particular idiolect in their brain
<glowcoil>
we give a name to the blob of mutually intelligible idiolects spoken by a particular, usually geographically contiguous, population
<devyn>
whitequark: "language" as in the general concept, not a particular language
<glowcoil>
and that name is "a language"
<devyn>
"A language evolves" and "Language evolves" are different
<glowcoil>
but yes, like devyn said, I said "language develops", language as a mass noun like water or stuff
<glowcoil>
meaning all language
<glowcoil>
anyway sorry for that getting all heated, let's hug it out
* glowcoil
hugs whitequark and devyn
* devyn
hugs glowcoil and whitequark
<devyn>
glowcoil: are you taking any linguistics courses this term?
<glowcoil>
devyn: no, took one last semester and I don't think I want to do it as a career at all
<glowcoil>
sticking to reading wikipedia and idly trying to conlang from time to time
<devyn>
ah, I'm taking intro this term
<glowcoil>
i really really want to do neuroscience and probably some neurolingusitics
<glowcoil>
but like
<glowcoil>
I really don't want to be a Linguist
<glowcoil>
and like collect corpuses of regional pronunication data
<glowcoil>
sounds soul sucking
<devyn>
haha neither do I really
<glowcoil>
what clinched it was when i participated in some studies for credit last semester
<devyn>
I like computational linguistics
<glowcoil>
yeah that would be cool
<glowcoil>
i just really relaly really really want to research brains
<glowcoil>
qua brains
<devyn>
I'd really like to work on like, semantic indexing and aggregation for the web
<glowcoil>
not just linguistics
<devyn>
with linguistics
<glowcoil>
yeah that would be cool
<devyn>
I think brains are neat; really need to get around to taking psych=
<glowcoil>
psych is bullshit though
<glowcoil>
i took a psych class in high school
<devyn>
yes but intro to psych is prereq for a lot of other things
<devyn>
:p
<glowcoil>
like what?
<devyn>
good question
* devyn
checks
<glowcoil>
like I want to do it from a biological side
<glowcoil>
but not get caught up in biology
<glowcoil>
and bring a computational perspective
<glowcoil>
which means a *lot* of credits and probably extra years till graduation
<glowcoil>
but that's ok I guess
<glowcoil>
because I'm already doing math and CS
<devyn>
there are behavioral psych courses that require intro; judging by the description it's basically more of an intro to cognition
<glowcoil>
yeah but I kind of just want to stay away from the psych side of things
<glowcoil>
it's so filled with bs :\
<devyn>
ooh, 2375 "Perception" and 2385 "Cognition"
<glowcoil>
there's definitely some cool stuff to be learned
<glowcoil>
like, models of short term memory and their experimental justifications
<glowcoil>
but like especially social psychology is just utter bs
<devyn>
yes I would like to stay the fuck away from that
<devyn>
hm, or is that just a knee-jerk reaction
<devyn>
the past tense of 'ping' shall now be 'pang'