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<siraben>
proteus-guy: instead of "stack quarks" he should have called them morphisms in a category! ;)
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<siraben>
For instance he brings up that dup increases the stack size, categorically this is like saying given a morphism size : Stack → N (which returns the size) and the successor map S : N → N, dup : Stack → Stack, the following holds: size . dup = S . size
<siraben>
The rules shown in Script 2 could be phrased like: swap . swap = id, drop . over = id, nip . nup = id and so on
<remexre>
ah yeah, I've seen that; it's pretty neat
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<veltas>
mark4: Would you consider releasing x64 under an MIT licence?
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<veltas>
I think it's a good base for an AMD64 forth if I ever fancy writing one, but the current licence is too convoluted for me, and I like my licences short like my code
<veltas>
LGPL plus your addendums is too complicated, I mean I think LGPL is too complicated/scary already. I'm not scared of it but unfortunately too many people are.
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<proteus-guy>
siraben, hadn't thought of that but I suppose so. :-)
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<mark4>
veltas im looking for a better licence than the one i made up
<mark4>
is mit non restrictive?
<mark4>
i dont even want to for you to release your own sourc code simply because you built with my compiler
<mark4>
even though part of your executable is derived from my sources
<patrickg>
mark4: MIT is a simple BSD-style license (without the advertising clause): keep the copyright notice, keep the reference to the license, otherwise do as you please
<proteusguy>
Yep - we typically use BSD 3 clause when we want people to have to give us credit for using it and MIT when we don't require credit. They're both good licenses.
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<mark4>
i dont really care about credit either lol
<mark4>
hconsider all my repos mit now ill officially change them later lol
<mark4>
i never wanted to restrict anyones use of my code in any way
<mark4>
oretty much public domain ish kinda sorta lol
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<mark4>
gpl needs to go away and stay there
<nihilazo>
I like GPL, like, is it perfect? no
<f-a>
↑
<nihilazo>
do I want to make sure other people aren't making money of my work? absolutely
<f-a>
they can
<f-a>
they just have to share the modifications
<nihilazo>
well, they can as long as their work is also GPL yeah
<nihilazo>
but I mean, they can't just use it as if it's theirs, is the thing
<f-a>
fun fact
<nihilazo>
has to stay free
<nihilazo>
which I like
<f-a>
#toktok are having a similar discussion right now xD
<mark4>
lol
<mark4>
so i had a tooth pulled yesterday and the assistant told me when it ws done to get some a bottle each of thes over the counter pain killers. i said sure thing... and left
<mark4>
popped 2 asprin last night but really was not in any pain at all
<mark4>
still not in any pain, not even in any discomfort unless i do something silly to provoke it
<mark4>
had a check up scheduled for yesterday, that was it. there are a cpl of my theeth that needed some kind of fixin... dentist recommended a cleaning so i agreed and told me that tooth cannot be saved
<mark4>
so. i go to check out and the receptonist says,we got slots open today for your first of 4 cleanings AND the extraction
<mark4>
lol
<mark4>
only went for a checkup, had a teeth cleaning AND an extraction lol
<inode>
too bad the biggest offenders of those GPL violations tend to get away with it - just look at all the driver code out there that exists only as blobs within sketchy linux kernel binaries from vendors who refuse to divulge the sources used to build them
<mark4>
think nvidia
<mark4>
FUCK nvidia -- Linus T
<inode>
a lot of tablet and phone vendors, especially the ones that use chinese SoCs, are pretty bad in that regard
<mark4>
oh yea. pretty much every android driver is top secret
<Zarutian_HTC>
it isnt like those wifisd makers that often include the drivers and build files on the thing itself, though you need to dig a little
<Zarutian_HTC>
oh, I have gotten a Chinese SoC driver source for one project
<Zarutian_HTC>
the thing was written in assembly and commented in Chinese
<Zarutian_HTC>
I asked and it turns out that the driver written in C just bloats out in program and working memory footprint and fails the timing at the speed&voltage setting they wanted to use
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<mark4>
but c does not suck! honest! :)
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<Zarutian_HTC>
it is better than the plusplus (ungood) version
<inode>
but is it better than C--?
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<veltas>
GPL and LGPL makes sense sometimes
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<Zarutian_HTC>
what doesnt make sense in these and other copy-licenses is the AS IS arse covering. As someone who makes electronics I can not put any such arse covering in place for these devices
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<mark4>
lawyers can splane that to you, we need that for the same reason we need "Do not feed to babies" on razor blade packages
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<mark4>
my uCurses now has both windows with texxt scrolling in it, one with lorem ipsum with horriffic RGB colors for the text and background, the other in gray scales showing chinese poems
<mark4>
the lorem ipsum window looks like a freeking rainbow lol