<nihilazo>
suckless software is just user-hostile for the sake of persuing a nonsense ideology of what simplicity is
<nihilazo>
suckless software is just user-hostile for the sake of persuing a nonsense ideology of what simplicity is
<nihilazo>
suckless software is just user-hostile for the sake of persuing a nonsense ideology of what simplicity is
<nihilazo>
yes, of course it makes sense to recompile the entire program to change your config rather than load a configuration file, because files SUCK! lmao
<nihilazo>
yes, of course it makes sense to recompile the entire program to change your config rather than load a configuration file, because files SUCK! lmao
<nihilazo>
yes, of course it makes sense to recompile the entire program to change your config rather than load a configuration file, because files SUCK! lmao
<neto>
I'm on a 5 year old version of slackware and suckless software is the only stuff that still installs without any big problem
<neto>
I'm on a 5 year old version of slackware and suckless software is the only stuff that still installs without any big problem
<neto>
I'm on a 5 year old version of slackware and suckless software is the only stuff that still installs without any big problem
<nihilazo>
also suckless is full of nazis lol
<nihilazo>
also suckless is full of nazis lol
<nihilazo>
also suckless is full of nazis lol
<nihilazo>
if you care about that, some people seperate art from artist but I kinda don't want to use software made by nazis :P
<nihilazo>
if you care about that, some people seperate art from artist but I kinda don't want to use software made by nazis :P
<nihilazo>
if you care about that, some people seperate art from artist but I kinda don't want to use software made by nazis :P
<neto>
it does make sense if it saves on writing yet another parser and itnerpreter when all you want is to set some variables
<neto>
it does make sense if it saves on writing yet another parser and itnerpreter when all you want is to set some variables
<neto>
it does make sense if it saves on writing yet another parser and itnerpreter when all you want is to set some variables
<neto>
nihilazo: that's a really weak argument but okay
<neto>
nihilazo: that's a really weak argument but okay
<neto>
nihilazo: that's a really weak argument but okay
<neto>
GNU is full of literal commies yet I still use their software
<neto>
GNU is full of literal commies yet I still use their software
<neto>
GNU is full of literal commies yet I still use their software
<nihilazo>
I guess, idk. Suckless stuff for me on a practical level is just too minimal to be useful
<nihilazo>
I guess, idk. Suckless stuff for me on a practical level is just too minimal to be useful
<nihilazo>
I guess, idk. Suckless stuff for me on a practical level is just too minimal to be useful
<nihilazo>
it's like the unix philosophy of making small sharp tools, with the exception that the tools are blunt and can't work together
<nihilazo>
it's like the unix philosophy of making small sharp tools, with the exception that the tools are blunt and can't work together
<nihilazo>
it's like the unix philosophy of making small sharp tools, with the exception that the tools are blunt and can't work together
<neto>
he says, in a forth chatroom
<neto>
he says, in a forth chatroom
<neto>
he says, in a forth chatroom
<neto>
can't work together?? is that a joke?
<neto>
can't work together?? is that a joke?
<neto>
can't work together?? is that a joke?
<neto>
surf and st don't implement tabs cuz that's the job of another program
<neto>
surf and st don't implement tabs cuz that's the job of another program
<neto>
surf and st don't implement tabs cuz that's the job of another program
<neto>
is that not working together?
<neto>
is that not working together?
<neto>
is that not working together?
<neto>
is that not the Unix philosophy?
<neto>
is that not the Unix philosophy?
<neto>
is that not the Unix philosophy?
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<nihilazo>
I mean, not if the tools are shit lol
<nihilazo>
I mean, not if the tools are shit lol
<nihilazo>
I mean, not if the tools are shit lol
<neto>
how are they shit
<neto>
how are they shit
<neto>
how are they shit
<nihilazo>
which surf and st are, they don't implement basic things (like scrollback in st for example)
<nihilazo>
which surf and st are, they don't implement basic things (like scrollback in st for example)
<nihilazo>
which surf and st are, they don't implement basic things (like scrollback in st for example)
<nihilazo>
you have to patch them
<nihilazo>
you have to patch them
<nihilazo>
you have to patch them
<nihilazo>
which is a pain in the ass
<nihilazo>
which is a pain in the ass
<nihilazo>
which is a pain in the ass
<nihilazo>
and then one patch is incompatible with another patch
<nihilazo>
and then one patch is incompatible with another patch
<nihilazo>
and then one patch is incompatible with another patch
<nihilazo>
or one patch only works on an older version so you have to downgrade and hack on it yourself
<nihilazo>
or one patch only works on an older version so you have to downgrade and hack on it yourself
<nihilazo>
or one patch only works on an older version so you have to downgrade and hack on it yourself
<neto>
patches are easy af to apply idk what u're on about
<neto>
patches are easy af to apply idk what u're on about
<neto>
patches are easy af to apply idk what u're on about
<nihilazo>
and then everything is built for X11, which is the biggest turd of a platform that exists
<nihilazo>
and then everything is built for X11, which is the biggest turd of a platform that exists
<nihilazo>
and then everything is built for X11, which is the biggest turd of a platform that exists
<nihilazo>
so if you're on a modern linux you have to run them in xwayland which sucks
<nihilazo>
so if you're on a modern linux you have to run them in xwayland which sucks
<nihilazo>
so if you're on a modern linux you have to run them in xwayland which sucks
<neto>
i've never seen an actual user of suckless stuff complain about incompatible patches, they're largely a non issue
<neto>
i've never seen an actual user of suckless stuff complain about incompatible patches, they're largely a non issue
<neto>
i've never seen an actual user of suckless stuff complain about incompatible patches, they're largely a non issue
<neto>
by "modern linux" you mean a couple of distros?
<neto>
by "modern linux" you mean a couple of distros?
<neto>
by "modern linux" you mean a couple of distros?
<neto>
cuz a couple years ago no one was using wayland, and to me a couple years ago is still perfectly modern
<neto>
cuz a couple years ago no one was using wayland, and to me a couple years ago is still perfectly modern
<neto>
cuz a couple years ago no one was using wayland, and to me a couple years ago is still perfectly modern
<neto>
Linux will never be successful on the desktop if we keep changing fundamental shit every few years
<neto>
Linux will never be successful on the desktop if we keep changing fundamental shit every few years
<neto>
Linux will never be successful on the desktop if we keep changing fundamental shit every few years
<neto>
people don't want their software to magically break
<neto>
people don't want their software to magically break
<neto>
people don't want their software to magically break
<neto>
in that sense suckless is FAR better than any piece of "modern" Linux desktop software
<neto>
in that sense suckless is FAR better than any piece of "modern" Linux desktop software
<neto>
in that sense suckless is FAR better than any piece of "modern" Linux desktop software
<nihilazo>
suckless just magically breaks when you update it and all the patches no longer apply :P
<nihilazo>
suckless just magically breaks when you update it and all the patches no longer apply :P
<nihilazo>
suckless just magically breaks when you update it and all the patches no longer apply :P
<nihilazo>
also by "modern linux" i mean "linux using technology that is current" rather than "linux using a bunch of archaic bullshit that is only still around because of nvidia"
<nihilazo>
also by "modern linux" i mean "linux using technology that is current" rather than "linux using a bunch of archaic bullshit that is only still around because of nvidia"
<nihilazo>
also by "modern linux" i mean "linux using technology that is current" rather than "linux using a bunch of archaic bullshit that is only still around because of nvidia"
<nihilazo>
ubuntu and fedora are both wayland by default now, I consider that mainstream
<nihilazo>
ubuntu and fedora are both wayland by default now, I consider that mainstream
<nihilazo>
ubuntu and fedora are both wayland by default now, I consider that mainstream
<neto>
are there known vulnerabilities in X11 that I haven't heard of?
<neto>
are there known vulnerabilities in X11 that I haven't heard of?
<neto>
are there known vulnerabilities in X11 that I haven't heard of?
<neto>
I have literally seen people who only know bash and aren't programmers apply patches to suckless software and fix compatability issues with the patches
<neto>
I have literally seen people who only know bash and aren't programmers apply patches to suckless software and fix compatability issues with the patches
<neto>
I have literally seen people who only know bash and aren't programmers apply patches to suckless software and fix compatability issues with the patches
<nihilazo>
I'm not sure what the most recent one is, but there have been many and continue to be many
<nihilazo>
I'm not sure what the most recent one is, but there have been many and continue to be many
<nihilazo>
I'm not sure what the most recent one is, but there have been many and continue to be many
<nihilazo>
because X11 is ancient software being used for things it completely wasn't designed for
<nihilazo>
because X11 is ancient software being used for things it completely wasn't designed for
<nihilazo>
because X11 is ancient software being used for things it completely wasn't designed for
<nihilazo>
nobody wants to maintain X because it's unmaintainable
<nihilazo>
nobody wants to maintain X because it's unmaintainable
<nihilazo>
nobody wants to maintain X because it's unmaintainable
<nihilazo>
hence wayland, which has actually been designed to be extended and compatible with things and flexible in ways X never was
<nihilazo>
hence wayland, which has actually been designed to be extended and compatible with things and flexible in ways X never was
<nihilazo>
hence wayland, which has actually been designed to be extended and compatible with things and flexible in ways X never was
<neto>
I have no problem with ditching X11 for somehing better, just don't FORCE me to change key pieces of my system every few years cuz you dislike it
<neto>
I have no problem with ditching X11 for somehing better, just don't FORCE me to change key pieces of my system every few years cuz you dislike it
<neto>
I have no problem with ditching X11 for somehing better, just don't FORCE me to change key pieces of my system every few years cuz you dislike it
<nihilazo>
maybe I just had a terrible experience with suckless but honestly, they just make bad tools, or at least bad tools for the way I want to work
<nihilazo>
maybe I just had a terrible experience with suckless but honestly, they just make bad tools, or at least bad tools for the way I want to work
<nihilazo>
maybe I just had a terrible experience with suckless but honestly, they just make bad tools, or at least bad tools for the way I want to work
<nihilazo>
nobody's forcing you to move to wayland
<nihilazo>
nobody's forcing you to move to wayland
<nihilazo>
nobody's forcing you to move to wayland
<nihilazo>
stick on X and watch applications stop being compatible because nobody wants to support it
<nihilazo>
stick on X and watch applications stop being compatible because nobody wants to support it
<nihilazo>
stick on X and watch applications stop being compatible because nobody wants to support it
<nihilazo>
nobody is forcing anything, it's just the passage of time
<nihilazo>
nobody is forcing anything, it's just the passage of time
<nihilazo>
nobody is forcing anything, it's just the passage of time
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<neto>
"we're not gonna FORCE you to do come over to our side, we'll just coerce you to"
<neto>
"we're not gonna FORCE you to do come over to our side, we'll just coerce you to"
<neto>
"we're not gonna FORCE you to do come over to our side, we'll just coerce you to"
<neto>
great
<neto>
great
<neto>
great
<nihilazo>
I mean
<nihilazo>
I mean
<nihilazo>
I mean
<nihilazo>
or you could maintain all the software for X yourself
<nihilazo>
or you could maintain all the software for X yourself
<nihilazo>
or you could maintain all the software for X yourself
<nihilazo>
I'm sure there'll be an X user community that refuses to adopt wayland, keeping stuff patched or whatever
<nihilazo>
I'm sure there'll be an X user community that refuses to adopt wayland, keeping stuff patched or whatever
<nihilazo>
I'm sure there'll be an X user community that refuses to adopt wayland, keeping stuff patched or whatever
<nihilazo>
but linux, in general, is moving on from X.
<nihilazo>
but linux, in general, is moving on from X.
<nihilazo>
but linux, in general, is moving on from X.
<nihilazo>
but linux, in general, is moving on from X
<nihilazo>
but linux, in general, is moving on from X
<nihilazo>
but linux, in general, is moving on from X
<neto>
The desktop linux community loves to destroy the systems it has built every few years and then acts SHOCKED when people don't want to switch over from their windows machine running 30 yo pieces of software
<neto>
The desktop linux community loves to destroy the systems it has built every few years and then acts SHOCKED when people don't want to switch over from their windows machine running 30 yo pieces of software
<neto>
The desktop linux community loves to destroy the systems it has built every few years and then acts SHOCKED when people don't want to switch over from their windows machine running 30 yo pieces of software
<nihilazo>
it's not "we're forcing people to change because we don't like X" it's "we finally got to the point where X is unmaintainable and we're starting again with something reasonable"
<nihilazo>
it's not "we're forcing people to change because we don't like X" it's "we finally got to the point where X is unmaintainable and we're starting again with something reasonable"
<nihilazo>
it's not "we're forcing people to change because we don't like X" it's "we finally got to the point where X is unmaintainable and we're starting again with something reasonable"
<nihilazo>
linux is a pile of shit piled on shit piled on shit, to be honest
<nihilazo>
linux is a pile of shit piled on shit piled on shit, to be honest
<nihilazo>
linux is a pile of shit piled on shit piled on shit, to be honest
<nihilazo>
like, if we wanted an OS that didn't suck we'd run plan9
<nihilazo>
like, if we wanted an OS that didn't suck we'd run plan9
<nihilazo>
like, if we wanted an OS that didn't suck we'd run plan9
<nihilazo>
linux is garbage
<nihilazo>
linux is garbage
<nihilazo>
linux is garbage
<nihilazo>
and continues to get more garbage
<nihilazo>
and continues to get more garbage
<nihilazo>
and continues to get more garbage
<nihilazo>
the only difference between linux's garbage and the garbage of a commercial OS is that people argue about linux's garbage more
<nihilazo>
the only difference between linux's garbage and the garbage of a commercial OS is that people argue about linux's garbage more
<nihilazo>
the only difference between linux's garbage and the garbage of a commercial OS is that people argue about linux's garbage more
<neto>
so you admit your approach doesn't work
<neto>
so you admit your approach doesn't work
<neto>
so you admit your approach doesn't work
<neto>
your approach of destroying our systems every few years just does not work
<neto>
your approach of destroying our systems every few years just does not work
<neto>
your approach of destroying our systems every few years just does not work
<nihilazo>
neither does sticking around though
<nihilazo>
neither does sticking around though
<nihilazo>
neither does sticking around though
<nihilazo>
nothing works, because linux is a steaming tower of shit
<nihilazo>
nothing works, because linux is a steaming tower of shit
<nihilazo>
nothing works, because linux is a steaming tower of shit
<neto>
we're doing it with wayland now, we've done it with systemd before, pulseaudio and other crap
<neto>
we're doing it with wayland now, we've done it with systemd before, pulseaudio and other crap
<neto>
we're doing it with wayland now, we've done it with systemd before, pulseaudio and other crap
<neto>
it's a steaming pile of shit just like every other OS
<neto>
it's a steaming pile of shit just like every other OS
<neto>
it's a steaming pile of shit just like every other OS
<nihilazo>
you can stick with X and have unmaintainable nonsense or move to wayland and have X stuff break
<nihilazo>
you can stick with X and have unmaintainable nonsense or move to wayland and have X stuff break
<nihilazo>
you can stick with X and have unmaintainable nonsense or move to wayland and have X stuff break
<nihilazo>
although X stuff doesn't break on wayland because xwayland mostly does a decent job
<nihilazo>
although X stuff doesn't break on wayland because xwayland mostly does a decent job
<nihilazo>
although X stuff doesn't break on wayland because xwayland mostly does a decent job
<neto>
now shut up about it and start working on stuff that matters, not on reinventing the wheel
<neto>
now shut up about it and start working on stuff that matters, not on reinventing the wheel
<neto>
now shut up about it and start working on stuff that matters, not on reinventing the wheel
<nihilazo>
wayland is backwards compatible, unless you have an nvidia GPU in which case it doesn't work at all because nvidia are the worst
<nihilazo>
wayland is backwards compatible, unless you have an nvidia GPU in which case it doesn't work at all because nvidia are the worst
<nihilazo>
wayland is backwards compatible, unless you have an nvidia GPU in which case it doesn't work at all because nvidia are the worst
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<nihilazo>
honestly, the only way I see a good OS being built is if we start again from scratch
<nihilazo>
honestly, the only way I see a good OS being built is if we start again from scratch
<nihilazo>
honestly, the only way I see a good OS being built is if we start again from scratch
<nihilazo>
or maybe plan 9
<nihilazo>
or maybe plan 9
<nihilazo>
or maybe plan 9
<neto>
okay man, I don't care, I just hope you know that's one of the reasons why Linux will never be a mainstream desktop OS, because we keep tearing it down every few years
<neto>
okay man, I don't care, I just hope you know that's one of the reasons why Linux will never be a mainstream desktop OS, because we keep tearing it down every few years
<neto>
okay man, I don't care, I just hope you know that's one of the reasons why Linux will never be a mainstream desktop OS, because we keep tearing it down every few years
<f-a>
NihilazOS
<f-a>
NihilazOS
<f-a>
NihilazOS
<nihilazo>
but plan 9 is still unix derived and therefore still inherets nonsense from unix
<nihilazo>
but plan 9 is still unix derived and therefore still inherets nonsense from unix
<nihilazo>
but plan 9 is still unix derived and therefore still inherets nonsense from unix
<nihilazo>
f-a: coming soon to a 6502 near you
<nihilazo>
f-a: coming soon to a 6502 near you
<nihilazo>
f-a: coming soon to a 6502 near you
<nihilazo>
I don't want linux to be a mainstream desktop OS, it's garbage
<nihilazo>
I don't want linux to be a mainstream desktop OS, it's garbage
<nihilazo>
I don't want linux to be a mainstream desktop OS, it's garbage
<nihilazo>
I want to see the end of desktop computing
<nihilazo>
I want to see the end of desktop computing
<nihilazo>
I want to see the end of desktop computing
<nihilazo>
I fucking hate computers lol
<nihilazo>
I fucking hate computers lol
<nihilazo>
I fucking hate computers lol
<nihilazo>
I'm just on a quest to find the least worst way to use a computer
<nihilazo>
I'm just on a quest to find the least worst way to use a computer
<nihilazo>
I'm just on a quest to find the least worst way to use a computer
<neto>
nihilazo: you misunderstand the core problem and are, therefore, cursed to wander around lost forever
<neto>
nihilazo: you misunderstand the core problem and are, therefore, cursed to wander around lost forever
<neto>
nihilazo: you misunderstand the core problem and are, therefore, cursed to wander around lost forever
<nihilazo>
like, I could build my own architecture from scratch
<nihilazo>
like, I could build my own architecture from scratch
<nihilazo>
like, I could build my own architecture from scratch
<nihilazo>
hardware and software, all of it
<nihilazo>
hardware and software, all of it
<nihilazo>
hardware and software, all of it
<neto>
yep, nihilism is one of the main ways to deal with it
<neto>
yep, nihilism is one of the main ways to deal with it
<neto>
yep, nihilism is one of the main ways to deal with it
<nihilazo>
my perfect OS
<nihilazo>
my perfect OS
<nihilazo>
my perfect OS
<nihilazo>
but like
<nihilazo>
but like
<nihilazo>
but like
<nihilazo>
it would suck because I'm a bad programmer
<nihilazo>
it would suck because I'm a bad programmer
<nihilazo>
it would suck because I'm a bad programmer
<neto>
it's a lot easier to say everything sucks and nothing matters than to face the problems
<neto>
it's a lot easier to say everything sucks and nothing matters than to face the problems
<neto>
it's a lot easier to say everything sucks and nothing matters than to face the problems
<nihilazo>
the problems: old linux stuff is bad, new linux stuff is bad, other OSs are all bad
<nihilazo>
the problems: old linux stuff is bad, new linux stuff is bad, other OSs are all bad
<nihilazo>
the problems: old linux stuff is bad, new linux stuff is bad, other OSs are all bad
<nihilazo>
the solution: idk man figure it out somehow I guess???
<nihilazo>
the solution: idk man figure it out somehow I guess???
<nihilazo>
the solution: idk man figure it out somehow I guess???
<nihilazo>
computing is just in a state that needs a total reset but that's never gonna happen
<nihilazo>
computing is just in a state that needs a total reset but that's never gonna happen
<nihilazo>
computing is just in a state that needs a total reset but that's never gonna happen
<neto>
solution: stop reinventing the wheel
<neto>
solution: stop reinventing the wheel
<neto>
solution: stop reinventing the wheel
<nihilazo>
ditch all existing protocols, ditch the web, ditch unix and linux, ditch everything. Rebuild from scratch. Like society needs to be in general honestly
<nihilazo>
ditch all existing protocols, ditch the web, ditch unix and linux, ditch everything. Rebuild from scratch. Like society needs to be in general honestly
<nihilazo>
ditch all existing protocols, ditch the web, ditch unix and linux, ditch everything. Rebuild from scratch. Like society needs to be in general honestly
<nihilazo>
neto: is wayland reinventing the wheel?
<nihilazo>
neto: is wayland reinventing the wheel?
<nihilazo>
neto: is wayland reinventing the wheel?
<nihilazo>
or is it replacing a wheel that won't turn any more?
<nihilazo>
or is it replacing a wheel that won't turn any more?
<nihilazo>
or is it replacing a wheel that won't turn any more?
<nihilazo>
because I see it more like the latter
<nihilazo>
because I see it more like the latter
<nihilazo>
because I see it more like the latter
<nihilazo>
inevitably software goes to shit over time and inevitably software will continue doing so
<nihilazo>
inevitably software goes to shit over time and inevitably software will continue doing so
<nihilazo>
inevitably software goes to shit over time and inevitably software will continue doing so
<neto>
you say that as millions of such wheels turn right this instance
<neto>
you say that as millions of such wheels turn right this instance
<neto>
you say that as millions of such wheels turn right this instance
<nihilazo>
so either we replace stuff, have periods of slightly less bad, or we give up and have bad
<nihilazo>
so either we replace stuff, have periods of slightly less bad, or we give up and have bad
<nihilazo>
so either we replace stuff, have periods of slightly less bad, or we give up and have bad
<nihilazo>
neto: I mean, held together by duct tape they do
<nihilazo>
neto: I mean, held together by duct tape they do
<nihilazo>
neto: I mean, held together by duct tape they do
<nihilazo>
I just can't stand computers at all tbh
<nihilazo>
I just can't stand computers at all tbh
<nihilazo>
I just can't stand computers at all tbh
<nihilazo>
there is no good
<nihilazo>
there is no good
<nihilazo>
there is no good
<nihilazo>
there is only garbage
<nihilazo>
there is only garbage
<nihilazo>
there is only garbage
<neto>
yeah first years of new software are always great, not buggy and badly supported at all /s
<neto>
yeah first years of new software are always great, not buggy and badly supported at all /s
<neto>
yeah first years of new software are always great, not buggy and badly supported at all /s
<nihilazo>
my quest for good computing has turned up nothing
<nihilazo>
my quest for good computing has turned up nothing
<nihilazo>
my quest for good computing has turned up nothing
<nihilazo>
tbh
<nihilazo>
tbh
<nihilazo>
tbh
<neto>
yeah I noticed, no need to keep talking about it
<neto>
yeah I noticed, no need to keep talking about it
<neto>
yeah I noticed, no need to keep talking about it
<nihilazo>
I feel like I've explored every idea and system that exists and they all have breaking issues
<nihilazo>
I feel like I've explored every idea and system that exists and they all have breaking issues
<nihilazo>
I feel like I've explored every idea and system that exists and they all have breaking issues
<neto>
this isn't an emo poetry chatroom
<neto>
this isn't an emo poetry chatroom
<neto>
this isn't an emo poetry chatroom
<nihilazo>
....shit this chat is logged
<nihilazo>
....shit this chat is logged
<nihilazo>
....shit this chat is logged
<neto>
welcome do adulthood, kiddo
<neto>
welcome do adulthood, kiddo
<neto>
welcome do adulthood, kiddo
<nihilazo>
lmao this is gonna be on the internet forever
<nihilazo>
lmao this is gonna be on the internet forever
<nihilazo>
lmao this is gonna be on the internet forever
<nihilazo>
lol
<nihilazo>
lol
<nihilazo>
lol
<neto>
no one cares enough about this to log it for more than a few years, I hope
<neto>
no one cares enough about this to log it for more than a few years, I hope
<neto>
no one cares enough about this to log it for more than a few years, I hope
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<neto>
I hope so for their own sacke
<neto>
I hope so for their own sacke
<neto>
I hope so for their own sacke
<nihilazo>
sorry
<nihilazo>
sorry
<nihilazo>
sorry
<nihilazo>
this is #forth, not my therapist. I apologise. And I should leave.
<nihilazo>
this is #forth, not my therapist. I apologise. And I should leave.
<nihilazo>
this is #forth, not my therapist. I apologise. And I should leave.
<nihilazo>
but suckless is still bad, even when you run it on top of a pile of other bad things :P
<nihilazo>
but suckless is still bad, even when you run it on top of a pile of other bad things :P
<nihilazo>
but suckless is still bad, even when you run it on top of a pile of other bad things :P
<f-a>
«tell me about your father stack»
<f-a>
«tell me about your father stack»
<f-a>
«tell me about your father stack»
<neto>
the guy arguing for tearing this all down is against minimalism, smh
<neto>
the guy arguing for tearing this all down is against minimalism, smh
<neto>
the guy arguing for tearing this all down is against minimalism, smh
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<inode>
< neto> no one cares enough about this to log it for more than a few years, I hope
<inode>
< neto> no one cares enough about this to log it for more than a few years, I hope
<inode>
< neto> no one cares enough about this to log it for more than a few years, I hope