17:26 <slurdge> hey there. how hard would it be to ask a service like pcbway to build a glasgow (disregarding the price)?

17:35 <whitequark> not very hard, people have certainly done it before

17:35 <whitequark> marcan: ping

17:36 <tnt> really you know someone that used pcbway pcb assembly for a glasgow ?

17:36 <whitequark> i distinctly recall someone announcing a run

17:38 <tnt> Must have missed that ... I remember people talking about it, and other people offering blanks PCBs but never someone going to actually make fully assembled ones.

18:51 <electronic_eel> slurdge: are you in europe?

18:52 <electronic_eel> slurdge: IIRC, florolf had eurocircuits make some

18:53 <electronic_eel> slurdge: maybe look in whitequarks irclog, it was just like a week ago or so that he wrote about it here

19:00 <florolf> electronic_eel: i didn't submit the order yet for $reasons

19:00 <florolf> still planning to, though

19:02 <tnt> florolf: Did you get a quote ?

19:04 <electronic_eel> florolf: ah, ok. it would be nice if you post some photos and write about your experience when you ordered & received them,

19:22 <florolf> tnt: all data is gone because the order timed out. i think it was ~1500EUR (including parts) for 10 excluding taxes

19:23 <tnt> ok, that's cheaper than I expected, interesting.

19:24 <tnt> ( I wanted to use them for another project but didn't really know what to expect pricing wise )

19:25 <electronic_eel> yes, quite reasonable price. But I guess it goes way up if you only want 1 or 2 made

19:26 <florolf> tnt: i think you can get a quote without committing to anything in their online tool

19:26 <tnt> electronic_eel: sure, but in my case I was planning for more like series of 100s :) not 1 or 2.

19:27 <electronic_eel> tnt: I'm not sure if they are the right supplier for 100s. IIRC they offer only up to 50 pcs or something like that

19:30 <tnt> Oh , yeah indeed, damn, I thought they also had a service for more volume ...

19:32 <electronic_eel> don't you have some local manufacturer near you? I usually work with a local manufacturer at work

19:32 <pinoaffe> tnt: for runs of hundreds, jlcpcb and pcbway are good, chinese board houses that also offer pcba

19:32 <tnt> electronic_eel: Well eurocircuits is in belgium and so am I :)

19:32 <electronic_eel> ;)

19:33 <tnt> pinoaffe: yeah, I know pcbway does it but I wanted to try a local option and see the price and ease ...

19:34 <electronic_eel> when having 100s of boards made for a new project, I either am at the factory when they start or they make only like 25 or so, stop and ship them to me

19:34 <electronic_eel> so I can check that everything is ok

19:35 <tnt> electronic_eel: Yeah, I was definitely planning on getting them to make a couple panels first. Check that, then do a repeat order telling them to do exactly the same thing as last time.

19:37 <electronic_eel> it also helps if you have a test jig and have them do the testing. So they can directly see if there are a lot of failed boards in a production run

20:40 <slurdge> electronic_eel: thx :-) yeah i'm in EU

20:46 <slurdge> i'll look into eurocircuits

20:51 <electronic_eel> slurdge: or maybe team up with florolf?

21:52 <slurdge> sure, if florolf you're up for it, it's more than welcome

22:14 <florolf> slurdge: i've talked my boss into doing a run for work, so joining in on that is not really possible. if they turn out fine and enough people are interested we could do another run. running the numbers is a little tedious currently, but i think the unit prices become reasonable at a batch size of ~10

22:15 <whitequark> wait, for work?

22:19 <florolf> whitequark: why not?

22:30 <whitequark> just curious

22:30 <whitequark> i mean

22:31 <whitequark> i find it somewhat shocking that people put so much faith in our design that they pretty much just make runs of it all the time

22:32 <whitequark> as in, i think it's a pretty good design, but that's me.

22:32 <whitequark> i'm not the one spending thousands of dollars on a run.

22:33 <whitequark> so i'm curious how did people convince themselves that it is, in fact, a good design.

22:33 <whitequark> if it isn't clear, i'm pathologically risk-averse. keep that in mind for context i guess.

22:35 <reportingsjr> whitequark: in my experience a lot of electronics is "design a board, build it, test it a bit, if it works build a bunch more"

22:36 <florolf> whitequark: well, a) glasgow seems to now be working well enough for a number of people. b) we actually looked at the design ourselves and it seemed reasonable c) the load of hodgepodge io-interfaces we currently do is not more trustworthy and d) it's a tiny run. and if each device saves half a day of labor over its whole life, it has paid for itself already

22:36 <reportingsjr> then when you end up having an issue one of the production people is tasked to add a bodge wire or two to each of the few hundred bad boards.

22:36 <whitequark> makes sense.

22:37 <whitequark> i'm definitely curious about how you're going to use it.

22:37 <whitequark> as in, feedback from actual use.

22:38 <florolf> whitequark: sure

22:38 <whitequark> expected use too, just in case i know something relevant about the current implementation

22:45 <florolf> whitequark: the hope mainly just is to have a more flexible io interface than just throwing bluepill boards (or similar) at a test setup. integrated level shifting is a big bonus because that's something that most devboards don't do.

22:47 <florolf> the occasional cursed interface comes up; a customer recently asked for a specialized ps/2 device to replace a component in $industrial_system

22:48 <whitequark> oh good news i was thinking bout a ps/2 device recently

22:48 <whitequark> i have a ps/2 host already.

22:49 <florolf> i think this was supposed to be a device, but i'm not sure

22:58 <whitequark> anyway i was thinking more "the current SPI and JTAG PHYs are pretty slow", things along these lines

23:09 <hellsenberg> reminds me i should try to make a simple SPI voltage adapter and mux applet