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<azonenberg> barrettfriedman: But the thing is, if you sputter over the resist
<azonenberg> Odds are pretty good that the sidewalls will be somewhat conductive
<azonenberg> may not be 100% covered to the same thickness as the tops, but there will be stuff there
<azonenberg> And, furthermore, if you then dip it in solvent it may not separate cleanly or at all
<azonenberg> on the other hand if you use evaporation i suppose it's possible to do what you want, but that's only if your design involves a single metal deposition step
<azonenberg> also, what are you trying to deposit? Liftoff is generally only used for materials that are difficult or impossible to etch
<azonenberg> because it can lead to high edge roughness as well as pretty much limiting your deposition method to evaporation
<azonenberg> whereas conventional lithography can be used to pattern almost anything
<Sync> interesting
<Sync> neat little belljar azonenberg
<azonenberg> Sync: ty
<azonenberg> Not mine technically, was bought by a company i did consulting with last year
<azonenberg> But they said i could hold onto it and use it for whatever i want
<azonenberg> as long as they get to use it if they need it back in the future
<Sync> but probably not up to spec for some high vacuum work
<azonenberg> Sync: I was planning to turn it into a sputter coater
<azonenberg> i can hit adequate vac for sputtering with the mechanical pump there
<Sync> how low does it go?
<azonenberg> I do need to redo some of the fittings, we totally disassembled it to find a leak
<azonenberg> Of all the places to be leaking, the Pirani gauge :p
<azonenberg> so i need a new one
<azonenberg> We had it down to high tens of mtorr, maybe 60ish? The pump is rated for 40 but we had a slow leak
<Sync> you can probably seal it with regular epoxy
<azonenberg> That's easily deep enough for DC sputtering
<Sync> well, I'm currently shopping for a vacuumchamber of my own
<azonenberg> How far do you want to go?
<azonenberg> I eventually would like to get deep enough for evaporation
<azonenberg> The fittings on that chamber are def not good enough
<azonenberg> But the jar and plate might be
<Sync> well, I have a rubber sealed turbo, but can get metal gaskets for it
<azonenberg> You have a turbomolecular pump? o_O
<Sync> and four dual stage rotary vanes
<azonenberg> Very nice
<Sync> well okay, two, two are fubar
<azonenberg> The pump i have is a dual stage rotary vane
<Sync> I have a leybold d4b and a d8b working
<azonenberg> My pump is a less fancy brand, i forget what
<Sync> the others are ilmvac devices, used in chemical service and corroded to death
<azonenberg> But it hit 40mtorr when we attached it straight to the pirani gauge
<azonenberg> And we got the entire bell jar assembly down to below 100
<azonenberg> before the leak got worse
<azonenberg> When i have $1k ish to spare i want to rip it all out and put in KF16 or KF25 fittings
<Sync> eh, that's only like 5^-2mbar ):
<azonenberg> thats what we priced them out as
<azonenberg> that would allow me to go nice and deep if i had a suitable pump
<Sync> I spent less than that on my vacuum equipment
<azonenberg> the base is a solid chunk of metal
<azonenberg> Sync: that was for new
<Sync> but the biggest problem will be the seal on the bottom
<azonenberg> the albany valve and fitting company is like 10 mins from my apartment
<azonenberg> You mean baseplate to jar?
<Sync> yes
<azonenberg> Or baseplate to pipe
<Sync> baseplate to jar, you really want viton there
<azonenberg> We have it
<azonenberg> viton + dow corning high vacuum grease
<Sync> yay, I got some pfpe grease for cheap
<azonenberg> the limiting factor was the leak
<azonenberg> and once i fix it, probably the pump
<azonenberg> But again for dc sputtering i dont *need* to go that low
<azonenberg> whats that?
<azonenberg> fitting looks like a KF40 or so
<Sync> no, it's kf25
<Sync> it's a bpg400 combined bayard-alpert and pirani gauge
<azonenberg> ah, and what is the device?
<azonenberg> ooh
<azonenberg> whats the effective range?
<Sync> atm - 10^-9
<Sync> 10^-11 on the new generation
<azonenberg> *wants*
<azonenberg> yours?
<Sync> yes
<Sync> I also own a mass spec
<azonenberg> what'd it cost you, and what would it cost new
<azonenberg> o_O
<azonenberg> the gauge, not the spec
<Sync> the gauges were more expensive than the spec
<Sync> they were 150
<Sync> new, uuh around 1k
<Sync> http://sync-hv.de/hi-vac/spectrometer.jpg small quadrupole RGA
<azonenberg> Not familiar enough with specs to know anything about that
<azonenberg> My goals for tooling involve building a DC sputtering system (argon only at first, maybe add N2/O2 inlets for reactive sputtering later)
<azonenberg> and a filament evaporator
<azonenberg> Then in the long term maybe an electron microscope
<Sync> I still bite my ass that I did not bid more on the varian scroll pumps here
<azonenberg> But in the time it'd take to build one i'm thinking i could probably save up for a real one
<Sync> maybe I can get one from work when it need overhaul
<Sync> then I could run pure o2
<azonenberg> I want a SEM
<azonenberg> I have nowhere to put one in this apt but when i get a place of my own
<Sync> I'd like to have the old ion implanter here that oxidizes at the university
<azonenberg> lol, ion implanter? That would be convenient all right
<azonenberg> homemade SIMOX?
<Sync> well, I operate on as a job
<Sync> +e
<azonenberg> nice
<Sync> or rather, I stand in front of it and scream at it that it does what I want from it
<azonenberg> you a cleanroom technician or something?
<azonenberg> process engineer?
<Sync> no, first semester student with some contacts
<azonenberg> oh lol
<azonenberg> Lucky you, i didnt get into the cleanroom until i was a sophomore
<azonenberg> And that was only because i was working with a third party company
<azonenberg> that had me as a consultant, it wasnt for school
<Sync> well, it's not like our process would need a clean room at all
<azonenberg> Mine doesnt :p
<azonenberg> I would use one if i had it
<Sync> because we completely fail getting things right atm
<azonenberg> And i plan to build one at home for when i shrink geometry to below 20um
<azonenberg> but this is in my dream home / evil lair / $TERM_OF_CHOICE
<azonenberg> Which is five to ten years out at best
<Sync> a laminar flowbox should be enough
<Sync> for most stuff
<azonenberg> I want an entire room so i can have, for exmaple, a fume hood inside it
<azonenberg> for spin coating and etching
<azonenberg> and so i can have microscopes without dust covers :p
<Sync> haha
<azonenberg> plan is for that room to contain a hood/wet bench, my SEM, a metallurgical microscope, and whatever evap/sputtering rig i build
<azonenberg> maybe 10-12 feet square?
<Sync> but I really hate the ion implanter
<Sync> you cannot get same results on different days because it decides that the same values on some valves produce different results
<Sync> so you kinda have to get a feel for it
<azonenberg> lol
<Sync> yeah
<azonenberg> Reminds me of the evaporator in the materials research center on campus
<azonenberg> it's the only tool i use in my home fab processing that isnt actually at home
<azonenberg> well besides the SEMs here and there
<azonenberg> it's a 30-year-old CVC evaporator
<azonenberg> full manual
<azonenberg> actual valves you turn by hand
<azonenberg> But it's so simple it almost never breaks down lol
<azonenberg> Thoguh admittedly it is hard to get reproducible thicknesses
<Sync> yes, this is the same problem here
<azonenberg> But so far i havent needed to worry about exact thicknesses
<azonenberg> a few percent variation is OK
<azonenberg> My current short term goals are to improve lithography resolution to below 20um where it is onw
<azonenberg> i have a roadmap down to 1.25um
<azonenberg> but it will use commercially printed 8000DPI masks instead of the 600DPI laser pritner i use now
<azonenberg> And if i could get the 40x objective to play nice i could theoretically hit ~350nm
<azonenberg> more realistically i think 500-750 would be the limit
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<berndj> azonenberg, re 8000dpi, maybe not quite that res but still significantly beyond 600dpi, can you get someone with an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imagesetter to do it a little more affordably than a full mask fab?
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<azonenberg> berndj: they tend to not have the greatest results, can be noisy and have stray dots etc
<azonenberg> since they usually arent fabbed in cleanrooms
<berndj> drat
<azonenberg> laserlab.com will make sub-$100 masks at 3.125um lambda and 12.5um minimum feature design rules
<azonenberg> 12x18 inches, 10x16 printable area
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<soul-d> see
<soul-d> if i din't follow preelections i would have missed that
<soul-d> free pony's for all american's
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