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<wking> Writing a generic BubbleChangesTo(children..., ancestors...) without holding sizeable chunks of DAG in memory seems difficult.
<Tv`> that's why it's *allowed* to push them out on memory pressure
<Tv`> they just become not-dirty
<wking> what's "it"? Your background dirty-cleanup task?
<wking> or does Node.BubbleChangesTo(ancestors...) just add dirty nodes to a queue, and only flush the queue when you hit a memory/queue-size/staleness threshold?
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<Tv`> the mechanism you think fits in a single method of Node ;)
<wking> my initial idea had no queue. Or backlinks ;). So clearly needs more thought
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] NodeGuy opened pull request #1215: Add CORS middleware handler to the API. (master...cors) http://git.io/vUqA7
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<whyrusleeping> yeah... i remember why i *didnt* implement this previously
<whyrusleeping> fitting things nicely in memory sucks hard
<whyrusleeping> also something something premature optimization
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<whyrusleeping> ugh, the bitswap testnet is a terrible approximation
<whyrusleeping> its making this refactor really obnoxious
<whyrusleeping> as soon as i start relying on the 'connected'/'disconnected' notifications, nothing works in testing
<whyrusleeping> also, tests with names like:
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<whyrusleeping> TestItWasTheBestOfTimesItWasTheWorstOfTimesItWasTheAgeOfWisdomItWasTheAgeOfFoolishness(t *testing.T) {
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<Tv`> node.Pinning, err = pin.LoadPinner(node.Repo.Datastore(), node.DAG)
<Tv`> if err != nil {
<Tv`> node.Pinning = pin.NewPinner(node.Repo.Datastore(), node.DAG)
<Tv`> the. fuck.
<Tv`> "on any error, throw away data"
<whyrusleeping> lol
<whyrusleeping> i vaguely remember okaying that...
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<whyrusleeping> but i cant remember why i thought it was okay
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<Tv`> well, pinning stored in ipfs objects works otherwise ok....
<Tv`> ... except gc removes the pins
<Tv`> *ba-dum tsch*
<Tv`> more on a new day ;)
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<whyrusleeping> lol, gc removing the pins *might* be a problem
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<wking> whyrusleeping: Tests pushed for #1212
<wking> bedtime for me
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<whyrusleeping> wking: alright, see ya in the mornin
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<jbenet> evening o/
<whyrusleeping> jbenet: good morning ;)
<jbenet> morning-- well, i woke up a few hours ago, but people seem to think breakfast is an extensive social activity on friday nights.
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<jbenet> whyrusleeping: good to merge the 1212 fix?
<whyrusleeping> let me look over it
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<whyrusleeping> i want to make sure i look over every one before we merge now
<whyrusleeping> tired of things getting through on PR's i havent seen
<whyrusleeping> jbenet: RFM
<jbenet> yeah i looked at the PR and it seemed fine-- we really need better tests
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] jbenet pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/vUmRz
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 10669e8 W. Trevor King: path/resolver: Fix recursive path resolution...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master 19823c6 W. Trevor King: path/resolver_test: Test recursive Link resolution...
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/master d6fc414 Juan Batiz-Benet: Merge pull request #1212 from wking/fix-recursive-path-resolution...
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<whyrusleeping> agreed on the tests
<whyrusleeping> when i get to seattle and get settled down ill probably take a few entire days to just write more tests
<whyrusleeping> wow. so bitswaps 'TestLargeSwarm'
<whyrusleeping> is being slowed down massively by eventlog
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<whyrusleeping> taking out one eventlog line changed the runtime of the test from 33 seconds to 10
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<whyrusleeping> jbenet: i gotta rip out some eventlogs... these are crazy expensive
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<jbenet> yeah agreed-- we should nuke them writing to disk.
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<whyrusleeping> well, the writing to disk isnt the bad part
<whyrusleeping> its the string formatting that they do
<whyrusleeping> sooooo much wasted memory
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping created refactor/bitswap (+1 new commit): http://git.io/vUmi0
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/refactor/bitswap 7dbb329 Jeromy: large refactor of bitswap, implement peermanager to manage sending of messages
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping opened pull request #1218: large refactor of bitswap, implement peermanager to manage messages (master...refactor/bitswap) http://git.io/vUm1O
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<whyrusleeping> thats ugly, but could use some feedback as i'm working on it
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] whyrusleeping pushed 1 new commit to refactor/bitswap: http://git.io/vUmN6
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/refactor/bitswap 9a08737 Jeromy: clean up, and buffer channels
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<Bat`O> whyrusleeping: would you accept a patch that make /api/v0/refs return a json, as well as the size of each block returned ?
<Bat`O> whyrusleeping: the same way as /api/v0/ls does
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<Bat`O> jbenet: ^ ?
<jbenet> Bat`O: yeah-- it isn't json now?
<Bat`O> no, just a list of raw hash
<Bat`O> one per line
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<jbenet> Bat`O: oh the problem is that it's streamed
<jbenet> Could stream it as an array, or as nd-json
<Bat`O> jbenet: i'm looking at the code, it's not as easy as i hoped
<Bat`O> <-- go novice
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<Bat`O> jbenet: should i remove the ErrPassThroughReader stuff and return a struct instead ?
* Bat`O tries stuff
<cryptix> hey ppl
<cryptix> jbenet: did i cause 1212 :x
<cryptix> Bat`O: if you need help, let me know
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] cryptix pushed 1 new commit to refactor/httpGateway: http://git.io/vUYLx
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/refactor/httpGateway 7be537b Henry: http gw: reenable writable tests
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<Bat`O> cryptix: thx
<jbenet> cryptix: yeah but I CRed it and missed it. Our tests weren't good enough
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<cryptix> bummer
<cryptix> still 'progress' i guess :)
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] cryptix pushed 1 new commit to refactor/httpGateway: http://git.io/vUYqC
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/refactor/httpGateway d3e323f Henry: http gw: reenable putHandler
<jbenet> cryptix: yeah-- good progress. we needed to find we needed those tests. wish we'd caught before causing people trouble, but nbd.
<cryptix> jbenet: i think i'll add NewEmptyDirectory to unixfs/io or do you have a better place in mind?
<jbenet> cryptix: not really, that sgtm
<jbenet> cryptix: or maybe just `unixfs`
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<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] cryptix pushed 1 new commit to refactor/httpGateway: http://git.io/vUY3I
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/refactor/httpGateway 68d3b45 Henry: unixfs/io: added NewEmptyDirectory()...
<cryptix> jbenet: chose io because it already has the dirBuilder, seemd more consistent than having them spread across
<jbenet> Bat`O no-- you still need a reader, becuase you still want to stream. the thing is marshaling it out could be streamed json. i dont think there is a streaming json thing out there (for returning part of an array each time), so maybe we can return nd-json, like `ipfs stats bw --poll` and `ipfs dht` works
* jbenet cryptix: *shrug* sgtm not really my domain
<jbenet> cryptix: lmk when you want CR, etc
<cryptix> jbenet: we will (hopefully soon) get a streaming json de/encoder in stdlib
<cryptix> jbenet: sure - just want to get that putHandler fixed first
<jbenet> cryptix: ehh. arrays suck anyway. wish json had a "objects back to back = array" case
<jbenet> sgtm
<Bat`O> unrelated, how can i know if a block is available locally ?
<cryptix> Bat`O: hmmm.. why wouldnt you just assume it is?
<Bat`O> cryptix: let say i want to download some big files and track the progress
<Bat`O> or a tree of files
<cryptix> Bat`O: wanted that for some time, too - i think we need that facility closer to the core though
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<cryptix> meaning: polling 'is x local yet?' might work but... not so nice
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<Bat`O> i don't really need something so high level anymore because i rebuild a dag of directories/files/blocks using ipfs ls and ipfs refs
<Bat`O> but i still need to know if a block is local or not
<jbenet> think of it like a file system. perhaps: `ipfs block/object stat --local <hash>`
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<Bat`O> and something like /api/v0/log/tail but for the blocks added/removed in the datastore ?
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] cryptix pushed 1 new commit to refactor/httpGateway: http://git.io/vUYlr
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/refactor/httpGateway 230e4c7 Henry: http gw: unused import
<ipfsbot> [go-ipfs] cryptix force-pushed refactor/httpGateway from 230e4c7 to 1a7b85b: http://git.io/vJujg
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/refactor/httpGateway e633250 Henry: http gw: remove unused interface
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/refactor/httpGateway 1502f6b Henry: http gw: removed ResolvePath() in favour of core.Resolve()
<ipfsbot> go-ipfs/refactor/httpGateway 9684635 Henry: http gw: some golinting and unexport unused symbols...
<cryptix> wking jbenet: would be great to get PR 1208 and 1136 merged soon to dedup work
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<jbenet> cryptix: i think one of those is waiting for shell api
<cow_2001> hiii
<cow_2001> i wanna help ipfs
<cow_2001> i know a tiny bit golang
<cryptix> cow_2001: hey :) we need everything we can get
<cryptix> was about to build that query too :))
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<cryptix> cow_2001: ask us anything that confuses you, and a short warning about the commands/ package - it gets very messy down there
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<cow_2001> other than tiny documentation patches, i've never really contributed to any free software
<cow_2001> well, except the weechat fribidi plugin
<cow_2001> oh and some other minor patches to source in some other projects
<cow_2001> it's basically a problem of getting to know wth is going on in the source before i can make any reasonable contribution
<jbenet> every bit helps! from docs to filing issues, or building things on top.
<cow_2001> the last itch i've personally experienced was the tour
<cow_2001> oh, the gobuilder dist bug sounds pretty easy, no?
<jbenet> link?
<cryptix> mmh that one is out of our control
<cow_2001> oh dingit
<cow_2001> oh there's a GOMAXPROCS(3) with a FIXME right in ipfs main
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<cryptix> yea - iirc its put there to not consume 100% of the machines resources - but i'm not sure i totally follow that reasoning
<cow_2001> could we put n-1 in there and things will be alright?
<cow_2001> or 3*n/4
<cryptix> if you find a way to still respect the GOMAXPROCS env, that would be great, i think
<cryptix> cc jbenet
<cow_2001> o-o
<cryptix> cow_2001: background: http://golang.org/pkg/runtime
<cryptix> maybe want to experiemtnt with a small example program. you can override maxprocs like 'GOMAXPROCS=9000 go run main.go'
<cryptix> i wonder what runtime.Gomaxprocs() returns if it isn't set by the env
<cryptix> do you get what i mean? (not sure what i said was clear)
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<cow_2001> it runs the number of cores or somesuch, no?
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<cow_2001> s/runs/returns/
<cryptix> well.. thats what runtime.NumCPU() is for
<cow_2001> oooh, you mean what GOMAXPROCS is set to by default
<cryptix> if you hardcode runtime.GOMAXPROCS(3*runtime.NumCPU()/4), you loose the ability to overrride it with GOMAXPROCS
<cow_2001> ah!
<cryptix> simple way might be to see if os.Getenv("GOMAXPROCS") == ""
<cow_2001> you can always explicitly ask for environment variable GOMA... right
<cow_2001> :p
<cryptix> general note: coordinate your changes with jbenet or whyrusleeping before going in too deep :)
<cow_2001> aye
<jbenet> it may be worth increasing ability to peg cpus, for hashing. but not sure it is just yet. https://github.com/ipfs/go-ipfs/issues/1216 seems io bound
<cow_2001> peg cpus?
<cow_2001> as in choose a specific cpu?
<cryptix> jbenet: 1216 looks more like something wastefull going on tbh
<cryptix> personally i'd just like if ipfs would be able to spread it's work across all of my 8 cores by default
<jbenet> cryptix: you think it's scheduling problems? what could be holding it back? i think it's some sort of mismanagement of io.
<jbenet> hmmm it could be network bound, if there's still ratelimiting of adding with a provider queue
<jbenet> oh that's probably it
<cryptix> yea, something like that or pushing out provides at that speed pushing back?
<cryptix> sigh this putHandler drives me crayz.. i think i need to find the old PR to get some reasoning on it
<cryptix> this was meant as a cleanup now it's blowing up again :[
<cryptix> might also be interesting to ask him for a blocking profile now that we got the /debug/pprof handlers
<cryptix> ie 'go tool pprof http://localhost:5001/debug/pprof/block' '> web' and send us that svg graph
<cryptix> jbenet: o/
* cryptix checks if you can actually 'web' a blocking profile >_<
<jbenet> i dont see an svg graph, only "--- contention: cycles/second=1900007252"
<cryptix> uhm.. wait a sec
<cryptix> jbenet: block profile is disabled by default
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<cryptix> search 'significant caveat' tldr: need to call runtime.SetBlockProfileRate()
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<cryptix> maybe want to do that in IPFS_DEBUG=t
<jbenet> cryptix: sgtm.
<jbenet> may want to ask whyrusleeping though. possible it could be its own env var.
<insanity54> what's the multiaddress? Is that in here somewhere? -> /ip4/172.17.0.3/tcp/4001/ipfs/QmdGpfxT1zxi59PFkwrtD4Lr8aN3zr6dSXyP5zm8JaEGpe
<cryptix> jbenet: we already have IPFS_PROF for the mem profiling, thats a good place i think
<insanity54> bootstrap --help: [<peer>]... - A peer to add to the bootstrap list (in the format '<multiaddr>/<peerID>')
<cryptix> insanity54: the hole thing is a multiaddr
<insanity54> cryptix: I see. Any idea why `ipfs bootstrap add /ip4/25.196.147.100/tcp/4001/QmaMqSwWShsPg2RbredZtoneFjXhim7AQkqbLxib45Lx4S` says, "Error: no protocol with name QmaMqSwWShsPg2RbredZtoneFjXhim7AQkqbLxib45Lx4S" ?
<cryptix> you are missing the /ipfs/ bafter the tcp port :)
<insanity54> oh lawdy
<insanity54> cryptix: thanks
<cryptix> insanity54: de nada :)
<cryptix> jbenet: added runtime.SetBlockProfileRate(1) to 'func profileIfEnabled', started adding the 370megs of gopath github.com profile (which takes longer than 15minutes) and took some profiles: /ipfs/QmeHfchizRtKD7RbkW2ZwuKqRT5MdUx8wuYQJZoEDweafP
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<cryptix> the pprof tool is a bit eratic, sometimes overwriting the .svg's...
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<cryptix> hmmm - should propably run this with no peers for comparison
<cryptix> sooo much todo...
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<jbenet> lol
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<insanity54> ^that's pretty cool
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<cow_2001> ipfs pin ls shows nothing
<cow_2001> but i've ipfs add a ton of files
* cow_2001 is worried
<insanity54> I think if you `ipfs add` something, it doesn't show up in your pin list. (I think.)
<cow_2001> ah
<insanity54> pin list is if I share something that you like, you can pin it
<insanity54> and it'll cache on your machine
<insanity54> s/pin list/pinning
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<cow_2001> how do i get the list of files i've added?
<insanity54> I don't actually know how you would see the files you've `ipfs add`ed. I know they go in ~/.ipfs but idk how to get the ipfs process to give a list
<insanity54> k maybe they don't go in ~/.ipfs, seeing as I don't have that dir.
<insanity54> cow_2001: I want to know how to list added files too, so I'll look for a way
<Vendan> `ipfs pin ls`
<cow_2001> nope
<cow_2001> i've ipfs add a ton of files and they're not on ipfs pin ls
<insanity54> Vendan: doesn't that not include added files?
<Vendan> did you add them directly, or recursively through a directory?
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<insanity54> in my case I think it would have been directly. `echo 'fart' > fart.txt; ipfs add fart.txt`
<Vendan> if I do that, then do `ipfs pin ls --type=all` and grep for the hash spit out by ipfs add, that hash is in there
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<insanity54> Vendan: oh yep. that's the problem, cow_2001
<insanity54> pin types
<insanity54> --type=all
<Vendan> not too helpful, cause you don't get anything about what file is each pin, but better then nothing
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<cow_2001> can i somehow convert my repository into a new id with twice as many bits?
<Vendan> `ipfs init -b <bitcount> -f`?
<cow_2001> won't it erase everything?
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<Vendan> no idea
<insanity54> lmao
<insanity54> I can do it I've got unimportant filez
<insanity54> `ipfs init -b 2046 -f` => Error: Could not convert empty value to type 'int' (for option '-b')
<Vendan> maybe -b=2048
<insanity54> ya that did the trick
<insanity54> now to see if me files are still there
<insanity54> I have a shorter list now when I do `ipfs pin ls --type=all`
<insanity54> I'm assuming those are the default pins
<insanity54> readmes, examples, etc.
<cow_2001> where do i get those readmes?
<cow_2001> ipfs cat …?
<cow_2001> what's the path
<insanity54> idk the path... do you want the hashes?
<cow_2001> okay
<insanity54> oh
<insanity54> i see
<insanity54> "go get started, enter:" ipfs cat /ipfs/Qmc8ZcdAUduQfC32oSXnLsUyDb7GNZ9rX4VjrtB4s2212v4/readme
<insanity54> i entered that by hand (ipfs running on different computer) let me verify i typed it correctly
<cow_2001> multihash length inconsistent
<insanity54> . /ipfs/Qmc8ZcdAUduQfC32oSXnLsUyDb7GNZ9rX4VjrtB4s212v4/readme
<cow_2001> oh
<cow_2001> thanks!
<insanity54> yuuup
<krl> tperson: around?
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<jbenet> cow_2001: I'd init a node in another directory and just copy over the config file
<jbenet> IPFS_PATH=temp ipfs init
<jbenet> cp temp/config ~/.ipfs/config
<jbenet> (Or only the id section or whatever)
<cow_2001> too late :D
<whyrusleeping> Lol, we need an easy "ipfs reinit" command that keeps your I'd around
<whyrusleeping> ID*
<cow_2001> ipfs init --reinit?
<cow_2001> but id is defined by the key, so i cannot really reuse it if i want to increase key's bits
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<jbenet> mafintosh: there's no pbs eof, right?
<whyrusleeping> jbenet: afaik, no
<jbenet> I think there's should be a well known eof message that pops out. Think sending some pbs and then switching to --idk, http. If haven't setup a serialized muxer ahead of time the connection is hosed.
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<mafintosh> jbenet: you can just add a eos message to your schema
<mafintosh> eof
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<jbenet> mafintosh: does protobuf say anything about using tag 0?
<mafintosh> jbenet: no i think thats fine
<mafintosh> jbenet: good idea
<Vendan> "The smallest tag number you can specify is 1"
<jbenet> I wonder what parsers do
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<shazow> is there any guidance/policy for using ipfs's DHT to bootstrap a DHT for an unrelated p2p project?
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<whyrusleeping> shazow, just be nice to the dht
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<wking> jbenet: For #1208 to move forward, I'd like to open a new issue to flesh out the fs-root stuff currently sketched out in jbenet/random-ideas#28. Where should I open that issue?
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<wking> I feel like the fs-root idea ("use paths to fetch content across assorted protocols") is pretty independent of IPFS ("use a Merkle DAG to store content-addressable content with a DHT for routing"), so it doesn't feel like a great fit for the main IPFS repositories
<wking> and s/fetch/access/, since writing is important too ;)
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