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<Turl> arokux2: I dunno, but probably not, why?
<arokux2> Turl: he's actively moderating cubieforums
<arokux2> Turl: if you here/read something on CT, please update: http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubietruck#Status_of_the_community_kernel_.28sunxi-3.4.29_.2F_U-Boot
<Turl> ok
<arokux2> funny, I've just noticed a battery on the CT
<arokux2> it is behind the ethernet connector: http://cubieboard.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/CP-TP-5.png
<Turl> rtc batt I think
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<wens> how come i don't get any debug output on the console, even with logleve=8 and ignore_loglevel
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<libv> heh, i cannot believe that a few years ago i had no idea how to find the serial pads...
* libv is going to write up a nice useful UART page now
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<libv> plaes: seems like i should write up steps 5 and 6 as well
<libv> mnemoc: what is the currently preferred way of getting u-boot and board patches in our trees? patches to the ml?
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<oliv3r> morin'
<oliv3r> libv: yeah, still via the ML
<libv> ok, once i am through with the uart page, i will write that up as well
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<rellla> libv: you have seen http://linux-sunxi.org/Cubieboard/TTL ?
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<oliv3r> arokux: Turl yep that's RTC batt, I suggested that when I got my CB1 :)
<libv> rellla: nope, but i will recycle some of that for the general page.
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<libv> rellla: thanks
<rellla> yw
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<mnemoc> libv: yes, ML. to enable discussion
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<arokux> wens: what debug output do you want to have?
<oliv3r> nee das een understatement
<arokux> wens: some debug features should be enabled on subsystem basis
<arokux> oliv3r: have you a nice cover letter in mind? :p
<arokux> Tsvetan2: ping
<oliv3r> wc :p
<oliv3r> arokux: aye :p
<Tsvetan2> pong
<oliv3r> pang!
<arokux> Tsvetan2: I have some interesting info
<arokux> Tsvetan2: you have tested GMAC, right?
<Tsvetan2> yes
<arokux> Tsvetan2: it was around 300Mbps
<arokux> Tsvetan2: did u use iperf or what?
<Tsvetan2> dont remember
<arokux> Tsvetan2:
<arokux> cubietruck 513 Mbits/sec
<arokux> oliv3r: ^
<oliv3r> nice one
<oliv3r> from u-boot? or with designware driver from linux?
<arokux> oliv3r: ?? it is with cubietech's kernel! :p
<Tsvetan2> so drivers could be optimized
<oliv3r> arokux: so lichee-3.3
<oliv3r> ok
<Tsvetan2> I was also expecting with mature drivers A20 GMAC to match at least imx6
<arokux> oliv3r: ?
<arokux> oliv3r: hm.. not sure
<arokux> oliv3r: no, not lichee!
<arokux> [ 0.000000] Linux version 3.4.61+ (root@evdilo2.foo.bar) (gcc version 4.7.3 (Gentoo 4.7.3-r1 p1.3, pie-0.5.5) ) #29 SMP PREEMPT Sat Nov 2 13:34:23 CET 2013
<oliv3r> ah, so sunxi; nice one
<oliv3r> gentoo! :D
<arokux> oliv3r: cubietechs obfuscation of sunxi, yes.
<apo_> Linux edsger 3.4.61+ #5 SMP Wed Nov 6 21:33:04 CET 2013 armv7l ARMv7 Processor rev 4 (v7l) sun7i GNU/Linux
<arokux> Tsvetan2: there is gmac in stage/sunxi-3.4 - you can grab it for testing.
<apo_> oh, that was from dmesg
<apo_> hold on :P
<apo_> [ 0.000000] Linux version 3.4.61+ (root@edsger) (gcc version 4.7.3 (Gentoo 4.7.3-r1 p1.3, pie-0.5.5) ) #5 SMP Wed Nov 6 21:33:04 CET 2013
<apo_> :D
<arokux> apo_: so?
<apo_> arokux: quite similar :P
<Tsvetan2> arokux thanks!
<arokux> Tsvetan2: http://linux-sunxi.org/A20-Cubietruck#Status_of_the_community_kernel_.28sunxi-3.4.29_.2F_U-Boot take a look at gmac bullet.
<arokux> Tsvetan2: what about a board with 2xethernet? :) anything planned?
<Tsvetan2> yes am3352 can have 2 gigabit ethernet :))))
<arokux> Tsvetan2: what is am3352? "No products found!" at olimex.com
<Tsvetan2> sitara cortex-a8 from texas instruments
<Tsvetan2> we work on it now
<oliv3r> fully opensource? :p
<oliv3r> Tsvetan2: well A20 is officially confirmed to support dual ethernet
<oliv3r> emac + gmac
<Tsvetan2> yes I know
<arokux> Tsvetan2: no more love to allwinner after they gone powervr?
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<Tsvetan2> arokux we will wait to see what new will be released, for the moment we drop just a31(s)
<arokux> Tsvetan2: I see. what about RK3188 is that in works, I think you dropped a line once you are working on it?
<oliv3r> rockchip's linux support is far worse ; no u-boot etc
<Tsvetan2> RK3188 is almost ready but the linux support there is very immature
<Tsvetan2> this is why I do not hurry too much to release RK3188 board
<arokux> oliv3r: yeah, but RK actually has added support to U-Boot...
<arokux> nobody has pressed them to release code so far -- but these are only rumors.
<arokux> our wiki is much more humble...
<oliv3r> arokux: we don't have opensource u-boot yet
<arokux> btw, Tsvetan2: you've reported audio problems, there was a patch and reply to your e-mail with the request to retest.
<Tsvetan2> stage/sunxi fixed the problem
<arokux> Tsvetan2: nice!
<arokux> Tsvetan2: what is the price of sitara SoC?
<Tsvetan2> x2-3 times more expensive than A20
<Tsvetan2> but have many advantages
<arokux> aw, sitara is powervr too..
<Tsvetan2> nobig deal as people usually need these for industrial and automation not multimedia
<arokux> I see
<Tsvetan2> guaranteed 10 years supply by TI
<Tsvetan2> guaranteed industrial temp specs
<arokux> ... and awesome docs
<arokux> publicly available.....
<arokux> *sigh*
<Tsvetan2> you have 3 co-processors called PRU running at 300Mhz inside for real time tasks
<Tsvetan2> which you can program separately
<Tsvetan2> for instance you can add 3rd Ethernet programming one of the PRU to implement Ethernet
<Tsvetan2> TI have ready library with codes for PRU to implement protocols like Modbus etc
<Tsvetan2> so you can react in micro seconds/ nano seconds to real world events
<arokux> Tsvetan2: sounds awesome. one sees what a really good supported hw actually is.
<Tsvetan2> its not designed for tablets
<oliv3r> i'm supprised TI doesn't make some of them without powervr to save a few bux
<Tsvetan2> but for industrial apps
<arokux> Tsvetan2: I see, but anyways. I suppose TI has something for tablets too.
<arokux> omap maybe
<Tsvetan2> they dropped these as cant compete with chinese in cost
<arokux> o_O
<arokux> On November 14, 2012, Texas Instruments announced that they would cut 1,700 jobs due to its shift from mobile to embedded platforms.
<arokux> a year ago!
<arokux> jemk: nice!
<arokux> gzamboni: which branch is it?
<gzamboni> i have even seen in the ML mnemoc confirmation that it was applied but in the raw of the git linux-sunxi 3.4 its not
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<gzamboni> sunxi3.4
<gzamboni> sunxi-3.4
<arokux> gzamboni: it is on stage/sunxi-3.4
<arokux> gzamboni: and on sunxi-3.4
<gzamboni> what am i doing wron, in the diff ++ are the added code and -- are the removed, right ?
<gzamboni> if i search for an added line in the raw of the .c i cant find it
<arokux> gzamboni: checkout correct branch
<gzamboni> i cant find the added lines in my git cloned version of it
<arokux> gzamboni: and git show 359aa83418
<arokux> sorry, that is wrong!
<arokux> gzamboni: git branch --contains 359aa83418
<arokux> * (detached from origin/sunxi-3.4)
<arokux> sunxi-3.4
<arokux> stage/sunxi-3.4
<arokux> sunxi-3.4-ct-v101
<arokux> is somebody registered on http://www.cubieforums.com ?
<arokux> I do not get their activation e-mail :(
<gzamboni> try to find this comment "* tx dma callback, disable the tx empty drq." that was added in the commit in https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/blob/stage/sunxi-3.4/drivers/spi/spi.c
<gzamboni> you wont find it
<arokux> gzamboni: git grep "tx dma callback, disable the tx empty drq"
<arokux> drivers/spi/spi_sunxi.c:556: * tx dma callback, disable the tx empty drq.
<arokux> drivers/spi/spi_sunxi.c:590: * tx dma callback, disable the tx empty drq.
<gzamboni> i dont see it opening https://github.com/linux-sunxi/linux-sunxi/blob/stage/sunxi-3.4/drivers/spi/spi.c and / or downloading the raw
<gzamboni> in my git cloned spi_sunxi.c it isnt there neigter
<gzamboni> damn sorry i was looking into spi.c and not spi_cunxi.c
<gzamboni> wait
<arokux> works for me
<gzamboni> im trying out to make spidev work...
<gzamboni> im always getting [spi]: drivers/spi/spi_sunxi.c(L1025) [ 2768.086139] [spi]: drivers/spi/spi_sunxi.c(L1025) cpu tx data time out!
<gzamboni> and the bits arent comming out of the cubieboard.
<arokux> gzamboni: but you have that patch, right?
<gzamboni> yes, i have
<gzamboni> i thought i hadnt, but i was mistaken
<arokux> gzamboni: good, sorry I have no idea what SPI even is, so sorry, cannot help you with that driver error msg
<gzamboni> np
<arokux> gzamboni: post to the ML
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<gzamboni> just did it :)
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<libv> hrm... A31s is supposed to be powervr as well, right?
<libv> ah, nm, one chinese reseller messed things up
<oliv3r> libv: yep, a31 and a31s both powervr
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<libv> one ad got my hopes up...
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* mnemoc hopes a60 will be mali
<arokux> has anybody registered at http://www.cubieforums.com ? I do not get their activation e-mail :(
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<mnemoc> iirc thar forum belong to lawrence sheed, try mailing him
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<arokux> mnemoc: who is he?
<arokux> mnemoc: and most important where is his e-mail..:)
<oliv3r> i'm not registerd
<arokux> oliv3r: users are in darkness there, I wanted to forward them to sunxi.org
<oliv3r> fair nuff :)
<mnemoc> he was a regular poster on both MLs... 1m
<mnemoc> arokux: lawrence computersolutions.cn
<oliv3r> lawrence? heh I know him from openipcam.com
<arokux> do you know if Patrick Wood is affiliated with cubietech or so?
<oliv3r> don't think he is
<mnemoc> at least he doesn't have benn on his G+ contacts
* arokux wants a News pages
<mnemoc> imo if Torvalds can use G+ for Linux, we can use G+ as well ;-)
<arokux> no!
* mnemoc was expecting that reaction
<oliv3r> linux isn't as true as RMS
<arokux> this looks nice
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<mnemoc> [[News]] :p
<arokux> this looks awfull
<arokux> we do not need any social shit and no comments also.
<arokux> just news
<arokux> Head line, and a short text of what is done and by whom
<oliv3r> linux-sunxi.org/news
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<arokux> Benn doesn't have access to that forum
<arokux> somebody was smart enough to create it before them.
<mnemoc> I told you the name and email of the somebody ;-)
<arokux> mnemoc: yep. do ppl do it to have some profit from ads?
<arokux> mnemoc: I only see a big banner at the top without adblocker.
<oliv3r> as far as I remember, Lawrance is ahacker and loves opensource, he's not after the money
<mnemoc> he claimed forums were easier to discuss thing... but insisted in publishing his own tutorials there and promoting them on #cubieboard
<arokux> I see
<mnemoc> he was using a CB to prototype http://openjamma.org/
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<libv> hrm, there is no picture of the mele's serial port on our wiki
<libv> oh, there is.
<libv> hrm, no there isn't. Time to point gimp at the A1000 board picture.
<arokux> libv: there is a picture on rhombus
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<arokux> libv: do you have A1000 yourself?
<libv> yes, but it's easier to just cut a piece out of the picture on sunxi
<arokux> libv: ppl need you at lima, don't be that distracted by wiki :)
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<oliv3r> arokux: patch sent ;)
<arokux> oliv3r: :) nice. not here yet: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.comp.boot-loaders.u-boot
<oliv3r> jemk: i'm happy with your patch, but your commit messages are a little short :) and we should talk to the stm/designware guys about changing the default burst value, as it might not work with their stuff
<arokux> jemk: you should probably add in commit message that you disable dcache, if GMAC
<Montjoie> crypto teaser:) http://imgur.com/Ednt6Tr
<arokux> Montjoie: you fixed the bug?
<Montjoie> no, I use cryptodev now instead of af_alg
<arokux> Montjoie: what is on x axis?
<Montjoie> the size of request in bytes
<Montjoie> below 512bytes no gain
<Montjoie> after 512 bytes, powaaa
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<arokux> Montjoie: yellow is blue/red * 100%?
<oliv3r> 'your message to u-boot aways moderator approval :S and i'm signed up! go figure
<Montjoie> blue/red + 100
<arokux> Montjoie: why "+"?
<Montjoie> oups blue/red*100 +100
<arokux> Montjoie: why "+100"?
<Montjoie> for having tha gain, and excuse me it is -100, example without 10req/s with SS 20req/s the gain is 10/20*100-100 = 100% of gain
<Montjoie> 20/10
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<arokux> let with ss be t1, without t2, the the gain in % is: 100*t2/t1
<arokux> forget it.
<arokux> :)
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<arokux> Montjoie: so y is log scaled?
<Montjoie> yes log scaled
<Montjoie> I have difficulty wit openoffice graph
<arokux> Montjoie: use gnuplot!
<Montjoie> now I need to finish my bench fo be sure to not have hidden bug
<arokux> Montjoie: where are the last blue and yellow bars?
<Montjoie> bench not finished:)
<arokux> Montjoie: I see :)
<Montjoie> too happy for waiting it
<arokux> Montjoie: how cryptodev and of af_alg compare?
<Montjoie> cryptodev is faster
<Montjoie> but it is the same goal
<Montjoie> let userspace accessing kernel crypto
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<arokux> Montjoie: so af_alg is deprecated or superseded?
<Montjoie> with af_alg you use a spetial socket/networking for using crypto
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<Montjoie> with cryptodev you r/w /dev/crypto
<Montjoie> af_lag is official in kernel
<Montjoie> cryptodev is a patch
<Montjoie> with both, you could logically give hw acceleration to openssl
<arokux> Montjoie: you wanted to say with either of those?
<Montjoie> I have success only with af_alg for that
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<Montjoie> for openssl with either you could
<arokux> Montjoie: is cryptodev going to be merged to mainline?
<oliv3r> arokux: if you wanna mail me off-list, use the same e-mail address, but without the +list recipient delimiter ;) I sometimes don't check all list messaages for a few days because they tend to pile up :p
<Montjoie> I dont think so
<arokux> oliv3r: alright.
<arokux> Montjoie: hm.. why? it is faster you say..
<oliv3r> i have a +list address for mailing lists, so its in a seperate account, my phone won't spam me and i don' talways have to OCD-check on it :)
<arokux> oliv3r: I hope you had that fixed already...
<oliv3r> arokux: as for your hint, i think that one got pushed with the whole set :)
<arokux> oliv3r: phew :)
<Montjoie> arokux, cryptodev comes from BSD, troll begining
<arokux> Montjoie: :$
<Montjoie> for a real answer, I dont know
<arokux> Montjoie: I see.
<wens> arokux: I noticed
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<wens> so far still can't get phy to come out with stmmac, but did find an easy way to do extensions using OF_DEV_AUXDATA
<wens> wish i knew how PIN PA17 does reset
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<arokux> wens: you've seen patches by jemk, right?
<wens> arokux: yeah
<wens> arokux: maybe not...
* wens is sleepy and second guessing himself
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<hungi> Hi there!
<arokux> hi hungi
<hungi> I have troubles and i hope someone can help me here
<hungi> So in short i have a tablet with allwinner a31s soc. The latest firmware was 4.1.1 and very laggy and unstable. So I ported another firmware from the same manufacturer's almost identical model
<wens> arokux: sorry, which patch are you refering to?
<arokux> wens: for u-boot, at ML
<hungi> I reached a point htat all things working very well
<hungi> But i have troubles with lcd backlight
<arokux> hungi: http://linux-sunxi.org/A31#Community_Support that said maybe there is somebody who can help you..
<hungi> It looks like that i have 2 different light values for full screen activities
<hungi> And i found that this is the only thing whats worked:
<hungi> lcd_bl_0_percent = 4 lcd_bl_25_percent = 99 lcd_bl_50_percent = 99 lcd_bl_75_percent = 99 lcd_bl_100_percent = 99
<wens> arokux: ah yes, i just went through it
<hungi> Is it possible that the developer hard-coded some values in SDK 3.2 / Android 4.2.2 kernel level?
<arokux> wens: so there was this burst thingy, have you noticed?
<hungi> With these values if i set the brightness to the lowest level at settings in reality thats around 80% of the max. brightness, and the full brightness can be achieved around 15-20% on the brightness slider. Any value set above 15-20% does not change the "visible" brightness but brings back the "2 different brightness in same activities" bug.
<hungi> same=some
<wens> arokux: yeah. in stmmac, it's configurable via dt
<hungi> arokux: i found this channel in that page
<arokux> test
<arokux> anybody say something to me! :)
<wens> arokux: i did a comparison of gmac and stmmac startup flow, not much difference (didn't go into details though)
<hungi> _(o)_
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<arokux> wens: do you make sure kernel won't disable clocks set by GMAC?
<arokux> wens: you can just pass clk_ignore_unused as kernel param to be sure.
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<wens> arokux: i passed clk_ignore_unused, same problem
<arokux> wens: I see. keep it better passed.
<arokux> wens: you might ask jemk so he probes and check with scope if clock is fine etc
<wens> arokux: i'll do a few more tests tomorrow, then clean up a test version
<arokux> ok
<wens> arokux: i'm considering using your usb tree with a usb ethernet dongle to get the system up so i can poke around :p
<arokux> wens: it doesn't support ct yet
<arokux> wens: hm.. but what do you mean kernel or u-boot? (either supports usb2eth dongles)
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<wens> arokux: kernel. i can still use emac in u-boot
<arokux> wens: emac on ct??
<arokux> wens: (in u-boot)
<wens> arokux: cb2
<wens> arokux: i don't have ct yet
<arokux> wens: and you need another eth or what?
<arokux> Tsvetan2: box!
<wens> arokux: can't get gmac to work, so no nfs root or running system :(
<arokux> Tsvetan2: you cheat on prices :( everything is without VAT..
<arokux> wens: what about emac on cb2?
<Tsvetan2> arokux and what you can buy in EU without VAT ?
<wens> arokux: works
<arokux> Tsvetan2: the point is in EU VAT is always included :p
<Tsvetan2> right if you sell only in EU :-)
<arokux> wens: so you do can have NFS etc.. ?!
<wens> arokux: yeah, but if i want to try to get gmac working, then i can't use emac in the kernel
<arokux> wens: ah.. so you want to test gmac and in the same time you want to have eth.. did I get it now? :)
<arokux> Tsvetan2: :p
<wens> arokux: correct :)
<arokux> Tsvetan2: I do not know if you pay attention to this and don't get offended, but boards by cubietech looks somehow more nice and compact
<arokux> Tsvetan2: LIME seems to be an exception though!
<torbenh3> Montjoie: how much performance did you gain, by using cryptodev over af_alg ?
<Tsvetan2> LIME is 84x60 mm how big is cubie?
<arokux> torbenh3: af_alg isn't working.
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<Tsvetan2> A20 is big as we prefer to use 0.1 development friendly connectors
<torbenh3> arokux: how so ?
<arokux> torbenh3: no idea. I've just tested something for Montjoie
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<arokux> Tsvetan2: A20 has lots of space unused somehow
<torbenh3> using openssl AF_ALG engine ? and a proper openssl.cnf ?
<Tsvetan2> the connectors limit the size
<Montjoie> torbenh3, good question, I need to compare
<arokux> Tsvetan2: cubieboard: 10cm x 6cm
<Tsvetan2> so bigger ;)
<arokux> Tsvetan2: you are smaller :)
<torbenh3> i am mucking with af_alg currently (on an omap though) and its really slow.
<torbenh3> s/w wins it all out. i only get more performance with ipsec.
<arokux> torbenh3: do you know why cryptodev isn't merged yet? it seems to be superior: http://cryptodev-linux.org/comparison.html
<arokux> Tsvetan2: as said, LIME is a notable exception
<arokux> Tsvetan2: have you seen Radxa? that is a dense board!
<torbenh3> arokux: herbert critizised this comparison.
<Tsvetan2> Ive seen it on picture only
<arokux> Tsvetan2: WiFi isn't nicely connected on A13
<torbenh3> arokux: they were using af_alg wrongly.
<arokux> torbenh3: who is herbert?
<Tsvetan2> arokux do you have Radxa?
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<arokux> Tsvetan2: yes, but they've forgotten to solder pins for UART, so I haven't tried it out yet.
<Tsvetan2> programmers :) one connector soldering stop them
<torbenh3> arokux: from linux/MAINTAINERS:
<arokux> Tsvetan2: 1) no connectors, 2) no soldering iron...
<torbenh3> CRYPTO API
<torbenh3> M:Herbert Xu <herbert@gondor.apana.org.au>
<torbenh3> M:"David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
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<arokux> Tsvetan2: radxa is 100x80 mm
<torbenh3> arokux: its supposed to be used with vmsplice. but that requires data to reside on a page boundary.
<Tsvetan2> our RK3188-SOM is smaller ;p
<arokux> Tsvetan2: it is a SOM though :p
<torbenh3> arokux: but i believe, its pretty hard to make openssl and its users do that.
<arokux> torbenh3: I see
<torbenh3> arokux: basically openvpn and friends should just be splicing fds around.
<torbenh3> arokux: didnt look to closely, but i believe that openssl is buffer based, so one probably can not do that.
<arokux> Tsvetan2: again, do not take it as offense please
<Tsvetan2> I dont
<Tsvetan2> I know we are better ;0 so you cant offend me
<arokux> Tsvetan2: you are opensource, that is better than a smaller board!
<arokux> torbenh3: do you know last news: GMAC in u-boot works (patches on ML)?
<torbenh3> arokux: no didnt notice yet.
<torbenh3> cool
<Tsvetan2> yes, we set example now waiting Iteaduino to follow us not only by plasing OSHW logo on their new boards :)))
<arokux> Tsvetan2: aw-som will opensource baseboard too
<arokux> Tsvetan2: not SOMs.. maybe later
<arokux> Tsvetan2: interesting, is there is already one layout opensourced, like yours, can the others be much different?
<libv> Tsvetan2: they should be shamed by having a nice wiki page on sunxi, which mentions their abuse of the OSHW logo
<wens> torbenh3: openssl offers customizable (read: complex) i/o layer
<torbenh3> wens: you mean egines ?
<torbenh3> +n
<Tsvetan2> libv I doubt we will ever see OSHW from China in the next 10-20 years :)
<wens> torbenh3: no, i mean network i/o
<wens> torbenh3: i believe engines are a whole different layer
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<libv> but still, they should be publicly shamed
<buZz> china is already releasing OSHW
<wens> arokux: aw-som?
<arokux> yes, yet another SOMs with allwinner SoCs
<wens> arokux: link?
<arokux> wens: ^
<Tsvetan2> buZz seed studio?
<Tsvetan2> have you seen schematic and boards they publish?
<buZz> it might not be the quality you like, they -are- publishing
<arokux> Tsvetan2: do you know who can donate me a hacker friendly A31-board?
<Tsvetan2> they intentionally make the schematic unredable
<Tsvetan2> you cant use them for anything it's junk
<Tsvetan2> if you want to use have to re-do them
<Tsvetan2> this just spit on open source spirit - to share knowledge and to use it to learn modify etc
<plaes> sparkfun doesn't also publish layouts for their newer boards
<Tsvetan2> sometimes I think they have script which scrambles the schematic to unreadable level as I cant imagine someone with his head in order to design such schematics
<Tsvetan2> plaes sparkfun boards are so simple that you do not need layout, most of them will be routed for afternoon
<Tsvetan2> but at least they do not scramble their schematics + their libraries are with many errors, once we try to use something from them and it was disaster
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<arokux> I haven't see any A31 hacker board so far. I guess some Mele would be an option though
<nove> wingrime, did you/want to try make encoder traces? https://github.com/patrickhwood/h264encoder
<Tsvetan2> arokux whats wrong with the tablets you do not use GPIOs and other stuff anyway?
<arokux> arokux: programmers :) one connector soldering stop them
<arokux> ( Tsvetan2: I need serial )
<Tsvetan2> serial is easy there should be test pads on the board and you just solder 3 wires
<arokux> Tsvetan2: I'd prefer not to solder :p
<Tsvetan2> arokux the only real hacker here is hno :) he is not afraid to write code and to solder wires :)))
<torbenh3> pff... i didnt solder my serial.
<arokux> Tsvetan2: true that.
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<arokux> Tsvetan2: why do you think it is better to post tutorials on you blog and not on our wiki?
<Tsvetan2> arokux I link the blog posts to our product wiki too
<Tsvetan2> the problem is that these tutorials obsolete very fast with the fast linux-sunxi development
<arokux> Tsvetan2: this is exactly the problem, so why not maintain them at one location i.e. our wiki?
<Tsvetan2> arokux I bet more of our customers read the blog than the wiki :)
<arokux> Tsvetan2: poor customers.
<Tsvetan2> arokux these tutorials are so basic I doubt they have much of value
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<Tsvetan2> for linux-sunxi wiki users
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<wingrime> nove: too busy
<arokux> wingrime: how much of the CedarX is REed?
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<wingrime> arokux: MPEG12 , H264, vp8 decoder, JPEG
<arokux> wingrime: what is left? (just curious)
<pfdm> arokux: VC1, MPEG4
<wingrime> arokux: todo h264 encoder mpeg encoder(?) jpeg tumbnaller and alpha mixer vc1(msmpeg) xdiv/divx mpeg4 real
<wingrime> arokux: practiculary only h264 enc intersing
<wingrime> arokux: ISP (thumbnaill and alphamix) used with h264 encoder
<pfdm> wingrime: why ? you don't think divx mpeg4 would be nice ?
<wingrime> arokux: MPEG4/XDIV/DIVX/MSMPEG not a issue
<wingrime> arokux: it can be done in small time
<arokux> wingrime: sounds awesome :)
<wingrime> jemk: are you tryed 4k?
<wingrime> jemk: also, mpeg4 I think not aproblem with vdpau
<arokux> wingrime: is still lots left to have h264 enc ready?
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<pfdm> wingrime : everything will be integrated in vdpau at the end ? what about vp8 ?
<wingrime> arokux: we have no standart interface
<wingrime> arokux: VDPAU not support many codecs
<wingrime> pfdm: VP8 not supported by VDPAU
<wingrime> We maybe need make special lib for many interfaces
<wingrime> VDPAU needs x11
<arokux> vaapi isn't popular?
<pfdm> wingrime : I know that's why i ask, there is some patch around made 2years ago, but it hasn't been merged into libvdpau
<wingrime> pfdm: arokux you should know, our VDPAU only PoC
<wingrime> pfdm: normal realisation needs mainlined/rewrited stuff
<arokux> wingrime: PoC?
<pfdm> proof of concept
<arokux> yes
<wingrime> yes, it uses hw overlay for display
<wingrime> over /dev/disp
<wingrime> and It will not be in malinlined kernel
<oliv3r> wingrime: long time no see
<pfdm> wingrime: I'm aware of that, I'm just asking where is the final goal, so I can adjust and add my (trying) efforts to it. If the end will not be vdpau, nor vaapi, maybe openmax? or a dedicated one ?
<wingrime> no idea
<wingrime> my current goal, not code itself
<wingrime> documentation
<pfdm> I see
<arokux> wingrime: you know what I dream of? hw accell without X and mplayer (or some another player) without X.
<wingrime> mplayer can be without Xorg
<wingrime> but
<wingrime> you need write code for it specialy
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<ssvb> arokux: this is really simple, and you already can have it in vlc/xbmc (with proprietary drivers so far)
<arokux> wingrime: mplayer works in Linux console, without accel, though
<arokux> ssvb: vlc can work without X but with hw accell?!
<ssvb> arokux: yes, of course, that's why it is a bit awkward to use
<ssvb> arokux: a little bit of a challenge is a proper windowing system with multiple applications running and properly interacting with each other...
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<arokux> ssvb: that is awesome.
<ssvb> arokux: a single application just playing back your video in fullscreen mode is not difficult at all (after you have the decoder working)
<arokux> ssvb: what API VLC uses for accel?
<ssvb> arokux: what is so awesome about it?
<arokux> ssvb: several years ago I wanted to watch videos in linux console with accel and was told it was not possible, because all the GPUs write there drivers for X and that is why accel is available to mplayer only through X.
<oliv3r> arokux: http://linux-sunxi.org/MicroSD_Breakout never heard of that?
<oliv3r> Tsvetan2: pff, i even have made designs in geda :)
<arokux> oliv3r: how is that related?
<ssvb> arokux: there was some discussion in the mailing list about the python bindings to control vlc with cedar decoder
<ssvb> arokux: why did you want to watch videos in linux console?
* ssvb wonders why arokux did not want to also get rid of the linux kernel altogether and watch hardware decoded videos from some bare metal rtos ;)
<oliv3r> arokux: was backreading, you asking for a31 dev hardware (*waves fist*) and not soldering pads
<oliv3r> arokux: you can use any tablet with uSD breakoutboard and use the microSD adapter to get uart
<oliv3r> i use that on my tablet
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<arokux> ssvb: so how can VLC use AMD/nVidia GPUs APIs if without X?
<arokux> ssvb: several years ago I've tried to live only in Linux Console, you can learn a lot if you introduce this restriction :)
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<oliv3r> hehe, i lived only on the cli years ago! :D i had my first real linux box, a router/gateway; and i spent most time on the cli on that machine (I had 2 monitors on my desk at the time)
<oliv3r> i still spend a lot of time on the cli
<ssvb> arokux: I guess the reliance on X was a side effect of the implementation of these decoders, you are just making kinda unreasonable demands :)
<oliv3r> but now via xterms/putty if i have to
<ssvb> arokux: with the open source implementation and full documentation available you can fix it to work from cli, or just use software decoding
<oliv3r> if i'm not mistaken, you can use radeon's decoding from the cli
<arokux> ssvb: that was the whole point - my computer was slow, I needed hw accel. :)
<arokux> ssvb: so can VLC somehow be used by AMD/nVidia GPUs to accel in Linux Console without X?
<ssvb> arokux: and you thought that X was breaking the camel's back in your case, so that resorting to cli was necessary?
<arokux> ssvb: something like this. ancient potentially slow, just unneeded! :)
<arokux> ssvb: later I realized a bare X isn't that demanding at all.
<ssvb> arokux: :)
<arokux> ssvb: so can VLC somehow be used by AMD/nVidia GPUs to accel in Linux Console without X?
<ssvb> arokux: it's all software, so it must be fixable if necessary
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<arokux> ssvb: how that? AMD/nVidia drivers are BLOBs....?
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<arokux> open source drivers implement accell?
<oliv3r> arokux: amd ones yeah
<oliv3r> for a year now
<oliv3r> google radeon, phoronix, vdpau :)
<oliv3r> (yes they actualyl use vdpau)
<arokux> ssvb: and then, I'm not going to spawn a project to develop these things..
<arokux> ssvb: I'm just asking if they are there and can be use off-shelf :)
<ssvb> arokux: in the case of sunxi, the problem is exactly the opposite
<ssvb> arokux: the users are installing standard players or browsers with html5 support from the linux repositories and expect them to provide nice hardware accelerated video playback
<arokux> ssvb: but they should better go to Linux Console you mean? :)
<ssvb> arokux: the users just don't want to use the custom built players, specifically patched for cedar and which need to be launched from the linux console
<arokux> ssvb: so there should be some lib that implement cedar2<some-api>, right?
<arokux> <some-api> beeing vdpau, vaapi, openmax...?
<ssvb> arokux: right
<arokux> ssvb: what is the most popular APIs, btw?
<ssvb> it's hard to say, vdpau appears to be pretty well supported, but there is also openmax and gstreamer
<ssvb> we have to deal with a jungle of apis and frameworks :( and some of them also want to interact with gl
<arokux> ssvb: this is bazaar...
<oliv3r> this. is. linux!
<arokux> ssvb: I suspect the cathedral microsoft has only one api
<oliv3r> nah
<oliv3r> but far less diverse for sure
<oliv3r> but this is pure evolution at work
<arokux> oliv3r: I agree. pure and painful evolution which finally will produces something nice.
<oliv3r> i hope so yeah
<ssvb> the players also typically have multiple backends, this increases the chances that they somehow 'connect' with some sort of the hardware decoder :)
<arokux> ssvb: so sunxi.org just starts from something which is most popular :)
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<arokux> ssvb: do you hack on something sunxi currently?
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<arokux> oliv3r: you wanted to buy Mele?
<oliv3r> at one point, now i'll probably just use cubietruck
<oliv3r> i do want one, but i find the m5 to be to expensive
<libv> oliv3r: if you need one for demoing at fosdem, you can use mine
<oliv3r> libv: that would be awesome; not sure yet what and how to demo something
<oliv3r> libv: but i will absolutly have to talk to you when things come closer as to what I will show and what not
<oliv3r> though I don't think we will overlap too much
<libv> oliv3r: i should have a mesa driver out by then, so you would not be spoiling anything on that front :)
<libv> oliv3r: it would be nice if you could do your whole talk off of an allwinner device
<arokux> libv: do you know somebody you could donate me Mele M9 or similar A31-based board?
<arokux> oliv3r: and with mainline kernel! :)
<libv> arokux: disp?
<arokux> libv: disp?
<libv> arokux: the device needs to be useful.
<arokux> libv: ah...
<oliv3r> libv: that's what i mean though; i absolutly not wanna even come near your waters :)
<arokux> :(
<oliv3r> libv: i was planning on that
<libv> arokux: try that guy who randomly mailed the wrong mailinglists
<oliv3r> libv: like near the end 'oh and this is on an allwinner device running native X :)
<arokux> libv: in the middle of an e-mail to him.
<arokux> not that I do not have money
<arokux> but it is principle
<libv> heh
<arokux> hardware should be donated to me :)
<oliv3r> though if he is soliciting opensource stuff; powervr would be the wrong approach :)
<libv> arokux: the cubietruck is the first piece of hardware that i ever got donated
<oliv3r> arokux: if we're really really lucky, and i have a lot of time, we might get 3.10 going though
<libv> _ever_
<arokux> oliv3r: I was told next allwinner's SoCs will be based on A31... so it is important we partially mainline for it too.
<oliv3r> libv: i got you on the donation list :) together with connor
<arokux> libv: you do not count your working place - there everything was "donated"
<oliv3r> libv: did he get one/pass his mail address? I don't know if others ever received them (others not in here)
<arokux> I do now work as kernel/gpu hacker
<libv> even as codethink was making loads of noise, i got to buy my own hardware
<libv> arokux: after about a decade, you do not care about the principle of the thing anymore.
<arokux> who is codethink?
<libv> well, not care about is not true, not bothered
<libv> arokux: my previous employer
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<libv> oh, they finally removed the first lima renders off of the arm "partner" site
<libv> ah, no they didn't. http://community.arm.com/docs/DOC-6225
<libv> now that's just lying.
<plaes> hm?
<arokux> libv: who is your daddy now?
<libv> arokux: my gf is.
<arokux> she pays you for hacking on sunxi??
* arokux dreams of such gf
<libv> hrm.
<arokux> drachensun: hey
<drachensun> hello
<Sonicadvance1> libv: That's a lima render?
<libv> they managed to f up the colours, but yes, that was a render in late january 2012
<arokux> drachensun: you know lots about A31 hardware, let me ask you. do you happen to know who could be interested to donate me an A31-based hackable device, for example Mele M9?
<Sonicadvance1> That's terrible and funny in a way
<libv> Sonicadvance1: why?
<drachensun> arokux: Donate? I'm not sure
<arokux> drachensun: yes, it's about $100
<drachensun> arokux: I'm clearing out all my hardware now to pay bill while I look for a job
<libv> Sonicadvance1: this was a milestone. the first real renders out of an ARM GPU on free software.
<Sonicadvance1> Oh wait, they actually talk about lima there
<drachensun> arokux: but I have already sold the meles with the debug header
<drachensun> pay bills I mean
<libv> Sonicadvance1: they did mess up the colours though, it looks like they took it to 8bit or something. it used to look better.
<arokux> drachensun: why haven't you asked here...? :(((
<drachensun> arokux: seems like almost everyone in the chat is from outside the US
<arokux> drachensun: true that.
<Sonicadvance1> libv: Has codethink even done anything with lima?
<libv> Sonicadvance1: they paid my wage for about 7 weeks without me doing customer work.
<Sonicadvance1> Interesting
<drachensun> but good point, I'm a software engineer with 8 years experience in embedded and server development in java and C, including some hardware design if anyone is interested. I'm looking for positions in the USA and willing to relocate at my own expense (within the US)
<libv> Sonicadvance1: i brought them big buckets of cash to keep their company going, while they had most of the company sitting idle
<Sonicadvance1> o_o
<drachensun> Actually, I just got an offer locally but my wife had really got her heart set on moving, so we will see
<drachensun> so many things to juggle
<oliv3r> arokux: i don't think anybody got any hardwarre from mele ata ll
<arokux> drachensun: I wish you all the best. I think sunxi would have won so much has your campaign succeeded.
<arokux> oliv3r: looks like so :'(
<oliv3r> cubetech/olimex are pretty much it
<arokux> oliv3r: thre are still the others aw-som/iteaduino
<arokux> oliv3r: but nobody produces A31 already now.
<drachensun> arokux: Thanks, yeah it would have benefited all. I wish I could be more generous but I burned 10k or so running the campaign on top of my living expenses while I had no income, I've got to recover what I can
<arokux> drachensun: of course, I didn't know your situation fully, I just new you were hacking on A31.
<oliv3r> arokux: those never donated hardware
<oliv3r> arokux: AW donated a wits kit to maxime though
<arokux> oliv3r: they've just appeared
<libv> arokux: again, i have been doing quite a few things over the last decade, and the cubietruck is the first donation i received
<arokux> libv: so what? I do not consider a $100 board to be much, as said, it is just a symbol for me.
<libv> i told connor to go for a cb2 while tom still had the donations form open, and tsvetan offered me his a13 device, which i had already bought at that time
<arokux> libv: so you see? you shouldn't have rushed.
<oliv3r> libv: did conner receive his cubietruck?
<libv> oliv3r: i did not know anything about him and a cubietruck
<libv> he has a cubieboard2 though
<libv> arokux: heh.
<arokux> I just need a board with each of aw's SoCs, and A31 is missing in my collection.
<libv> arokux: or else?
<oliv3r> libv: well i put his and your e-mail addides on the list
<arokux> libv: no USB support in mainline for A31 :)
<libv> oliv3r: well, he just received a cb2 a month or two before, he's ok
<libv> given that he has been donated two bits of hw already (it took months to get codethink to send him a 70usd zenithink C71, what a faff that was)
<oliv3r> libv: actually he WAS on the cb2 list and his addy was on file
<oliv3r> so may be still on the way
<arokux> libv: do you blame me for asking a free board?
<libv> arokux: i blame you for your vigour in doing so, and for not willing to see the reality of the situation
<libv> +being
<arokux> libv: and what is the reality? you should know those are my first experiences.
<libv> i just told you that reality several times
<oliv3r> if being offered, i don't mind, but asking blalantly for it
<oliv3r> duynno
<libv> actually, my reality is even worse. i am glad, no hugely relieved, when i do not get tarred and feathered, like with what happened with radeonhd, for any work i do.
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<oliv3r> ...
<arokux> I do not feel ashamed to ask, I invest lots of time in sunxi.
<oliv3r> but you do it out of passion
<arokux> oliv3r: of course. or do you think I can live from two donated boards? :)
<pfdm> maybe a generational conflict ?
<arokux> oliv3r: a free board is just a symbol for me :)
<drachensun> hey oliv3r, you mention a lot of time you are on here you are 'at work' what do you get paid to do where you have so much extra time?
<oliv3r> i have the worst job ever :)
<oliv3r> but it gives me a lot of time
<drachensun> doesn't sound like the worst job ever if you have time for your hobbies....
<oliv3r> haha true
<arokux> and you know what, you can actually learn a lot about ppl that are making money on sunxi.org saying how cool it is, or otherwise they'd be screwed having no AW support, but then you ask them to donate a bunch of boards and suddenly they become silent.
<oliv3r> but if the job you have to perform is something you hate with patssion :)
<drachensun> I was just curious, whenver I worked some one else I'd have been fired for spending work time on IRC unless I was directly getting a tech question for work answered
<drachensun> my point is we all need to make a living too, the fact that work can be for pay and still benefit the sunxi community as wel
<drachensun> 'the fact is that work..." I meant
<oliv3r> i do windows phone support at a city governement office
<drachensun> "have you tried turning it off and on again?"
<oliv3r> it's mostly not so busy, 30 - 50 calls per day
<oliv3r> basically
<oliv3r> 'press this button'
<oliv3r> 'your account is unlocked, try again'
<drachensun> you ever watch "the it crowd"?
<oliv3r> i've seen it
<oliv3r> :D
<oliv3r> sht up and reboot
<drachensun> yeah, might not be as funny for you :-)
<drachensun> I like it so much I can ignore the awful laugh track
<drachensun> but yeah, I see how that usually has a lot of dead time
<oliv3r> i hate it passionatl
<oliv3r> y
<oliv3r> but our economy is so unstable atml i don't dare to switch
<oliv3r> which i easily could
<drachensun> did you once kernel patch ever finally get accepted? seem like code in the kernel is resume gold to apply elsewhere
<oliv3r> i got a call from google actually to come in for an interview
<oliv3r> drachensun: oh i have a few in now :)
<drachensun> man my spelling/grammer is terrible today
<arokux> grammer :)
<oliv3r> got some patch gregkh sysfs stuff in now; driver for my dvb stic; and 1 sunxi patch :)
<oliv3r> 2 in the making
<drachensun> well my advice is take the risk and get a job you like better
<oliv3r> well lots of free time also means linux work
<drachensun> if you are tight with your money, the prospect of being unemployed for a bit isn't so scary
<arokux> oliv3r: what risk can such hacker like you have? what are you talking about?
<arokux> oliv3r: but if you want free time, it is another cup of tee then.
<oliv3r> go in for interview, get trial job for 6 monthsl get booted
<oliv3r> be unemployed
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<libv> oliv3r: recruiters really are the devil. but how would you be if your job was to "source
<libv> " people from everywhere all the time
<libv> and not having to care whether the new employee makes it past the probation time?
<drachensun> Is that really common over there?
<drachensun> seems like here in the US if you do a half decent job they will keep you around
<drachensun> hiring is expensive in the first place
<libv> no, but like everything else that's broken with .us corporate thinking, it is becoming mainstream
<libv> drachensun: that is not my experience with .us companies.
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<drachensun> of course we dont have many restrictions on letting people go, I've heard that is different elsewhere
<oliv3r> atm its really hard to hold a job
<oliv3r> 'oh we ran out of money, buy'
<drachensun> libv: really? Worst engineer I ever hired had 2-3 at every major company in the city, I thought he was jumping up but after he worked for us I realized thats how long they took to push him out
<oliv3r> atm people depend on me having an income
<oliv3r> and the workplace is 'ok' it's not bad at all
<oliv3r> just naging users :)
<libv> drachensun: or... you can get really unlucky.
<drachensun> interesting though, I've never worked for a big company so you guys would have heard from a lot more people than me
<oliv3r> did my internship at philips
<drachensun> libv: yeah, thats true, they love to call a round of layoffs for a stock boost it seems and the first hires are easy targets
<drachensun> new hires I mean
<libv> and then there is the cases where big corporations close down most of their operation
<libv> so that the ceo can make a big bonus selling the wreckage to his previous employer
<libv> i really want that guy to become the new ceo of his previous company though. seems like that's just what the doctor ordered.
<libv> (nokia, elop, microsoft, btw)
<oliv3r> dso while i'd love to change, next year hopeflly
<libv> keeping the good guys is never the plan of a big corporation.
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<arokux2> everyone lurking?
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<oliv3r> y
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<hno> Tsvetan2, sometimes feels like I am soldering code and writing wires these days... a bit more hardware stuff than usual lately, clueing pieces of code together, finding ways to patch PCBs and silencing hardware ghosts using software.
<hno> glueing pieces of code..
<oliv3r> hno: how much longer? we miss you!
* hno hugs oliv3r
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<pirea> hy
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<arokux2> hno: hugs won't help! :)
<arokux2> hi pirea
<arokux2> let me guess, you have some problem and want to ask for advice?
<pirea> hy arokux2 :)
<pirea> yes :))
<pirea> with gpio
<pirea> arokux2 how i can use gpio pins form cubieboard?
<arokux2> *sigh* nobody comes and says, guys, I've fixed the bug! please take look at my patch..
<arokux2> pirea: no idea, really.
<pirea> ok
<arokux2> pirea: I can help you add usb support to mainline :)
<pirea> i know nothing about usb
<hno> pirea, from what I understand you add the desired gpios to your fex. But haven't tried. Might want to look in the olinuxino fex files for hints.
<pirea> hno tnx
<pirea> but i have founded that
<hno> they then should appear in /sys/ somewhere.
<pirea> arokux2 that page is outdated
<pirea> :)
<arokux2> pirea: :( can you please update it?
<pirea> arkoux2 i can't help me :))
<pirea> but you...
<hno> pirea, then fix it.
<hno> pirea, sure you can, with only a little guidance.
<pirea> if i will succed with soumething
<pirea> i will make a library
<pirea> for gpio:D
<arokux2> pirea: we all here are like you, but we try to gather knowledge at sunxi.org and learn everyday.
<arokux2> hno is a real hacker though, but he, as a real hacker has very little time. :)
<hno> pirea, there isn't really a need for a library, and there likely is too many gpio libraries already.
<pirea> arokux2 where i can found base adress of gpios?
<arokux2> pirea: in the datasheet
<hno> pirea, but you only use base address in the kernel code. Not in applications.
<hno> that said, the pio tool in sunxi-tools can do mmio accesses to sunxi GPIO pins, but it is not at all the right way of controlling gpio.
<hno> applications SHOULD use /sys/ interface with mappings set up in the kernel config (i.e. the .fex for sunxi linux 3.4)
* arokux2 is going to test jemk patches which add GMAC support in U-Boot
<pirea> fuck
<pirea> i am a BIG NOOB
<hno> pirea, you need to rewire your mind. You are a learner, not a noob.
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<hno> being a noob mindset do not bring you forward.
<pirea> arokux2 jmek needs a patch with CFLAGS+=-lrt
* arokux2 says it to himself every hour
<pirea> to work vdpauinfo
<pirea> hno tnk
<arokux2> pirea: how is vdpauinfo related to u-boot?
<arokux2> pirea: google a bit, ask, learn, document (at sunxi.org)
<pirea> arokux2 jmek work at libvdpau-sunxi :D
<hno> that would be a monster u-boot if it ran vdpauinfo.
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<arokux2> pirea: not only, he is smart enough to work on GMAC (Ethernet Controller) too
<arokux2> hno: what do you think of the patch by oliv3r ?
<hno> arokux2, the 2GB one? Or which patch?
<arokux2> hno: yes, 2GiB one.
<hno> Still confused that mainline u-boot uses signed variables for memory size.
<arokux2> hno: [not related] why do you think distclean is sometimes needed in u-boot to eliminate compiler errors?
<arokux2> hno: ppl in #u-boot were surprised and asked if ours u-boot was broken
<hno> u-boot dependencies are not 100% perfect, but I don't recall needing distclean.
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<arokux2> hno: u-boot as u-boot or as u-boot-sunxi?
<hno> both.
<hno> easier to discuss if you could backtrack how it happened. History and git reflog is a great help in that.
<arokux2> nice
<arokux2> I'll try to get grip on it, once I was able to reproduce. should I do make on regular basis without distclean you think?
<hno> yes
<hno> but one separate build directory per target.
<hno> u-boot supports O=... like most other projects.
<arokux2> hno: sometime I won't get u-boot prompt, I rewrite uSD and it works...
<hno> what do the console say? And are you sure you remember to write the right image? I often find myself writing u-boot.bin instead of u-boot.img still, and sometimes even u-boot-spl.bin instead of sunxi-spl.bin
<arokux2> hno: I always write u-boot-sunxi-with-spl.bin
<arokux2> hno: console says nothing, just hangs.
<hno> that is odd.
<hno> both BROM and SPL verified the images they load.
<hno> verifies
<arokux2> hno: next time I'll dump what was written to uSD - just got this idea.
<pirea> arokux2 i can give 128 mb to mali 400?
<arokux2> pirea: my area of expertise is USB host and general setup, kernel compilation, options, u-boot.
<arokux2> pirea: ask Turl
<pirea> Turl i can give 128MB ram to mali?
<pirea> arkoux2 i am smotocel69 from aur :))
* arokux2 will document Turls answer right away
<pirea> and this is my package
<pirea> will document Turls answer right away
<arokux2> pirea: have you seen my user page?
<pirea> yes
<arokux2> nice to meet you pirea :)
<pirea> you can add this too
<arokux2> pirea: I'll try to update upstream packages for Arch linux-sun*i
<arokux2> pirea: maybe you could run it afterwards to see if it works
<pirea> archlinux?
<arokux2> pirea: yes, what else?
<pirea> now i am running cubian
<pirea> but i don't like it :|
<pirea> i think i will put arch back on my cubieboard
<pirea> :)
<arokux2> pirea: what was wrong with Arch?
<pirea> mali libs doesn't work
<pirea> and Mesa is compiled with gles
<pirea> and egl
<pfdm> pirea: why mali libs doesn't work ?
<arokux2> pirea: what should be Mesa compiled with?
<pfdm> pirea: why gles and egl mesa is a problem ? link with the correct one and you are ok to run !
<pirea> pdfm i did not have enough time to check
<pfdm> pirea: modify the pkgbuild of sunxi-mali to have the X11 version and not the fb version
<pirea> pdfm i have the X11 version
<pirea> :)
<pfdm> pirea : then what does not work? running which application ?
<pirea> arokux2 without gles
<pirea> and without wayland libs
<pirea> pdfm that test doesn't work
<pfdm> which test ? X is not starting ? you don't have a desktop ? or the gl2mark test ?
<pirea> i have received an error about egl
<pfdm> you have an error log ?
<pirea> pdfm nothing
<pfdm> doing what ?
<pirea> pdfm wait 2 sec
<pfdm> when did received that error, trying to launch what ?
<pirea> trying to launch that test from sunxi-libs
<oliv3r> hugging always helps ;)
<Turl> pirea: yeah, it should be possible, assuming your system has enough ram
<pfdm> oliv3r : +1 :)
<Turl> but why would you? :)
<pirea> i will try to play quake 3 on cubieboard :D
<pirea> pdfm was something about egl creating surface error
<pirea> ()
<pirea> Turl from kernel argumetns i can do that?
<pfdm> pirea: verify with ldd you link with libMali.so and not libEGL of mesa
<pirea> pfdm ok
<pirea> tonight arch back
<Turl> pirea: probably not, but I haven't looked at the mali allocation stuff in some time
<Turl> I think ssvb rewrote it
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<arokux2> Turl: is there any doc about it?
<Turl> arokux2: about what?
<arokux2> Turl: mem settings for Mali
<Turl> arokux2: drivers/gpu/mali/mali/arch-ca8-virtex820-m400-1/config.h
<Turl> (or ca7 for sun7i)
<arokux2> Turl: ok
<oliv3r> hno: i had some compiler errors; but i ran make all_boards or whatever it was called in u-boot dir. normally i use the bsp which uses O=; so i had some cruft in my tree; distclean fixed that up nicely
<pirea> isohunt.com is dead
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<Turl> pirea: each time one of those sites is killed, tons of new ones pop up
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<ssvb> pirea: beware of the arch linux packaging, they are doing some wacky things - https://github.com/ssvb/xf86-video-fbturbo/issues/25
<pirea> Turl brb :) i am playing Unreal Tournament 2004 on my linux machine :>
<arokux2> EMAC and GMAC cannot live together if =y, is it ok or expected...?
<arokux2> ssvb: thanks.
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<arokux2> ssvb: do you have smth more to say about Arch?
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<Turl> arokux2: ALARM supports some sunxi devices :)
<arokux2> Turl: yes, this is my rootfs and favorite distro
<arokux2> is there anybody who uses Arch here except of pirea and pfdm? I'm currently gathering resources on it and going to update upstream packages for kernel & friends.
<Turl> arokux2: I use it on my desktop
<arokux2> Turl: good choice!
<Turl> I used it for a while on Mele until it broke (or I broke it, don't recall now)
<arokux2> Turl: what runs on Mele now?
<Turl> arokux2: yeah, except those days where stuff breaks and I wish I were using debian :p
<Turl> arokux2: debian :)
<arokux2> Turl: stuff breaks seldomly, downgrad (as command) helps.
<arokux2> downgrade*
<Turl> arokux2: I got some real weird glitches and stuff since the gnome3 upgrade
<arokux2> Turl: oh.. I do not run those monsters, LXDE here, more than enough