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<eschulte>
does anyone know of a way to write bytes to a process in CCL? The following doesn't work (although the SBCL analog works fine) http://sprunge.us/3eQrKO
<eschulte>
this would be handy to allow for using cl-store to compress stored objects through xz on their way to disk (and then restore them back from the output stream of an xzcat process)
<aeth>
uiop:launch-program is the better version in UIOP... a bit harder to get started with, though
<eschulte>
aeth: thanks! I can at least write-bytes to the input stream of a process started that way.
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<eschulte>
"that way" being uiop:launch-program
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<eschulte>
Yeah, launch-program works well. The only downside being that (as opposed to SBCL) I have to decide when creating the process if I want to write characters or bytes
<saturn2>
once you have the byte stream you can turn it into a flexi-stream
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<eschulte>
saturn2: fantastic, thanks. That was a very simple fix.
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<beach>
Good morning everyone!
<jack_rabbit>
morning, beach
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<LdBeth>
Hello
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<gabbiel>
how do I make lisp print ratios as floats?
<gabbiel>
beach: true, I guess I was looking for a solution involving variables
<beach>
gabbiel: It would be much better if you tell us what you want to do, rather than referring to a different language.
<gabbiel>
oh ok just saw the link
<gabbiel>
the function is float
<beach>
That's what I said.
<gabbiel>
I was going to click on link but pressed the kill window keybinding instead by accident
<loke`>
gabbiel: to go bak to rationals from floats, there is RATIONAL and RATIONALIZE
<beach>
Both the ~f and the ~e FORMAT directives also convert it seems.
<loke`>
if you want to convert to a specific float type, you can use (COERCE 1/3 'DOUBLE-FLOAT)
<loke`>
for example
<beach>
loke`: what is wrong with (float 1/3 1d0)?
<gabbiel>
thanks guys
<loke`>
Finally, there is a library to do decimal arithmetic in QL: wu-decimal
<loke`>
beach: Well, I find it less obvious. COERCE is more clear.
<loke`>
But personal opinion I guess
<beach>
I see.
<gabbiel>
loke: so that library will properly give 2.5 instead of 2.49999
<loke`>
gabbiel: Yes.
<gabbiel>
nice
<beach>
Though 1/4 has an exact representation as a float.
<loke`>
gabbiel: It implements it by using rationals behind the scenes, and then provides a custom reader/writer and some other syntactic sugar to make it nicer.
<gabbiel>
I often need proper decimal representation so thanks for informing on that library
<loke`>
it contains functions for converting them to/from strings as well without losing precision.
<Nilby>
I like to be slightly more ethical and uee (nicely-convince 1/3 'float)
<loke`>
It's quite useful in the rare cases it's needed. :-)
<beach>
gabbiel: What is "proper decimal representation"?
<loke`>
In most cases I personally just use raw rationals. I rarely have to read or write them.
<gabbiel>
I do all my arithmetic with ratios, and now I have to convert to decimals for this function I have
<loke`>
gabbiel: sounds like wu-decimal is what you want then.
<beach>
gabbiel: And why would you want to lose precision when you do?
<gabbiel>
its harder to read 19/15 than 1.26
<beach>
So it's only for printing?
<gabbiel>
the function in question outputs grams, so I need the actual decimal so I can properly mix my stuff
<gabbiel>
yeah its only for printing
<LdBeth>
The dispatch print table just do the work
<beach>
Then just use the appropriate format directive.
<beach>
(format t "~3f" 1/3)
<beach>
LdBeth: What dispatch print table?
<gabbiel>
but first I need to write a subst-if like of function so I can find the ratios in the tree
<beach>
Now you are talking about this mysterious tree again.
<gabbiel>
lol
<beach>
Why do you need to find the ratios in it?
<gabbiel>
so I can use FLOAT on them
<beach>
And why can't you just print them using FORMAT when you reach them?>
<beach>
s/>//
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<gabbiel>
I'm printing the whole tree you see, if they're floats already, I don't need to calculate where they are and then print them
<beach>
I think (format ... "~f" ...) handles both floats and ratios.
<beach>
No need to test whether it's one or the other.
<LdBeth>
(set-pprint-dispatch 'ratio (lambda (s n) (format s "~F" n)))
<gabbiel>
since the tree is a list, and also contains symbols, I can't do that. I'll have to settle for subst-if 'ing the numbers into floats and then printing the tree
<beach>
LdBeth: Those are for the pretty printer. Why is that appropriate here?
<LdBeth>
Then (pprint (list 1/2 5/3 4/3)) just show (0.5 1.6666666 1.3333334)
<gabbiel>
ldbeth: this is what I was hoping for, that the printer prints them as float
<LdBeth>
I believe what gabbiel want is just pretty print
<beach>
LdBeth: Maybe so, yes.
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<gabbiel>
but I wouldn't want this printing behavior to be permanent, only when my function is running
<beach>
You can select a pprint table then.
<gabbiel>
ok, I see, thanks guys, I'll use this pprint-dispatch stuff, apropos has helped me figure out the functions I need to make the behvaior temporary
<LdBeth>
gabbiel: you can use let to bind the * PRINT-PPRINT-DISPATCH*
<LdBeth>
Pretty print is fun
<gabbiel>
I assume that var is already special?
<beach>
This would have been much easier if it had started with "I have a tree represented as a list, and I want to print the whole thing normally, except when the leaf is a ratio, because then I want it to print as a decimal.".
<LdBeth>
Yes, the convention is variable names surrounded by * are special
<gabbiel>
beach: I apologize, I should have made the question more clear.
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<beach>
Yeah, well, I am also notorious for not understanding descriptions like that. LdBeth caught it.
<beach>
... like the one you gave.
<gabbiel>
I'll try to be more precise next time.
<gabbiel>
ldbeth: correct me if I'm wrong. Do I have to copy-print-dispatch, then set-pprint-dispatch, then setf *print-pprint-dispatch* back to the copy?
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<LdBeth>
You’re right
<gabbiel>
lmao I thought I could "cons" a "pprint-dispatch" object or something, but I know it's not a list
<LdBeth>
beach: where can I learn about presentation system used in CLIM?
<LdBeth>
gabbiel: the sad thing is the actual implementation of pprint table can vary, so what you have is the things specified in the standard, copy the default pprint table then modify it
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<gabbiel>
I feels lik there should be a macro that returns a variable to the value it had when the macro was expanded
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<pjb>
gabbiel: variables don't have values when the macro is expanded.
<pjb>
gabbiel: also, macros can be expanded several times.
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<gabbiel>
I mean, when its "called", I said expanded because macros aren't really functions
<gabbiel>
I'm going to write this macro, but I'm having a hard time choosing a name
<pjb>
gabbiel: however, you can write (eval-when (:compile-toplevel :load-toplevel :execute) (defvar *voo* 42)) (defmacro moo (var) `(setf ,var ,(symbol-value var))) (progn (setf *foo* 33) (moo *foo*) *foo*)
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<pjb>
gabbiel: macros, functions and special operators are operators, and operators can be "applied" (not with apply, but still) or "invoked".
<pjb>
or merely "evaluated".
<pjb>
gabbiel: note how you have to put the value of the variable in the compilation environment, using eval-when.
<pjb>
gabbiel: if a macro requires that you write some boilerplate around it, then it's a bad macro.
<beach>
LdBeth: There is a paper on it. Let me try to find it for you.
<pjb>
gabbiel: also, note how it can only work on special variables.
<pjb>
(another sign it's a bad macro).
<gabbiel>
so this macro isn't a good idea?
<pjb>
gabbiel: instead, I would propose a macro to define both the variable and a resetting function.
<pjb>
or two macros, one global, and one lexical: (define-resetable-variable *foo* 42) (reset *foo*) (let-resettable-variables ((foo 42)) … (reset foo) …)
<gabbiel>
makes sense, no wonder it hasn't been written, even it though it seems a good idea at first
<pjb>
gabbiel: if you want to restore a variable after usage, perhaps you want to use unwind-protect too?
<loke`>
we need lisppaste back
<pjb>
Actually, we'd need more than a paste service. Well, for short throwable snippets, ok. But often we have more complete code, that can be referenced years later. So perhaps something like codeshare.io
<pjb>
but searchable or indexable. More like a cookbook wiki.
<gabbiel>
I was also going to write a save-variables macro, or in your case, a save-places macro, I guess it'd be easy to implement by just having a places and &body arg
<gabbiel>
ebzzry: I got 502 too.
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<gabbiel>
gnite everyone
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<scymtym>
fivo: hi. did the eclector change work for you?
<fivo>
Yes perfect thanks
<jdz>
fivo: That won't work, but maybe you can use (declare (ignorable i)) in the outer LET?
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<scymtym>
fivo: great
<beach>
I don't see anything that requires IGNORE to be a closed declaration, but it won't work anyway, because in the scope between the two LETs, it is still not referenced.
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<fivo>
jdz: in that case I won't get a style-warning if i is not used
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<jdz>
The fourth paragraph in section 3.3.4 describes the behaviour.
<jdz>
fivo: Yes, that's why I said "maybe", because I don't know why you'd want to do what you're doing at the moment.
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<minion>
schweers, memo from jkordani: did you figure out what was going on with your code coverage issue?
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<schweers>
jkordani: sadly no, other than that it seems to have problems with some code. For instance with lparallel.
<fivo>
schweers: thanks, did not know that lib.
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<schweers>
I use it as a drop-in replacement for LET.
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<prxq>
I'm trying to use slime to edit and run code on another machine (a windows one). I'm having trouble with the slime-tramp extension. Specifically,
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<prxq>
the problem is that I use the cygwin ssh server, and the path to the windows file C:\this\file.cl will be /cygdrive/c/this/file.cl.
<prxq>
Anyone knows how I can insert the /cygdrive/c/ part into a SLIME-FILENAME-TRANSLATION?
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<pjb>
prxq: emacs lisp is case sensitive and doesn't have a readtable to upcase or preserve it!
<pjb>
SLIME-FILENAME-TRANSLATION doesn't exist.
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<prxq>
pjb: ya...
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<pjb>
C-h v slime-filename-translation RET explains how.
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<Xach>
ebzzry: My servers are acting weird. sorry.
<Xach>
ebzzry: l1sp.org is working again.
<ebzzry>
Xach: thanks!
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<ebzzry>
Xach: should we use l1sp.org instead of xach.com/clhs for Hyperspec searching?
<prxq>
pjb: mm, I see. thanks
<Xach>
ebzzry: i should fix xach.com/clhs for certain, but something about the setup is giving me problems.
<Xach>
ebzzry: it's not proxying properly on my new machine
<ebzzry>
Xach: sysadmin mode you go. :)
<Xach>
it's been 10+ years since I last made any real modifications
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<ebzzry>
Xach: that’s a hell lot of time
<pjb>
lisp is stable.
<Xach>
when 900 years you reach look as good you will not
<ebzzry>
Xach: the problem is when the problem doesn’t come from the machine+configuration, but when it’s due to external factors like changes in networknig
<Xach>
these problems started when i had to add a weird nginx proxy to apache to keep php happy on a debian 6 upgrade many years ago, then bumping up to debian 9 on a new server, where half the requests are proxied and half are not
<ebzzry>
then boom. one wonders what wrong one did.
<ebzzry>
worse is when you’ve lost a mental map of which this and that component went.
<ebzzry>
s/which/where/
<Xach>
it is truly a pain
<ebzzry>
Then you’d ask, "Is it worth it?"
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<Xach>
YES. for my lisp people it is always worth it.
<ebzzry>
;)
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<gabbiel>
shoutout to pjb for the save-place macro yesterday
<minion>
gabbiel, memo from pjb: the &environment parameter is required to handle things like (let ((x 42) (y 33)) (list 'outer (symbol-macrolet ((y x)) (list 'inner (save-place (y) (setf y 0) (list x y)) (list 'mid x y))) x y)) #| --> (outer (inner (0 0) (mid 42 42)) 42 33) |#
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<Josh_2>
Does cl have a "call-with-current-contiunation" equal?
<Bike>
no, it does not.
<Bike>
there are some libraries that rewrite code in continuation-passing form.
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<Josh_2>
hmm you reckon I would be able to implement Guiles fibers library in CL then? It was a suggestion for my 4th year project, but it isn't built on pthreads
<skidd0>
vlime (an alternative) can handle the inspect command because of a different REPL setup
<skidd0>
that "enables swank-presentations"
<skidd0>
so i'm curious if anyone knows if such a feature might be coming to slimv
<pjb>
I don't know where the slimv or vlime developpers hang. You'd have to ask them, or do it yourself.
<skidd0>
i would like to but i'm very much a novice here :(
<skidd0>
i was hoping they might be here
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<skidd0>
i could always open an issue on github i suppose
<pjb>
It's doing things like that, that you quit being novice.
<pjb>
You'll have to learn about vim and its scripting language.
<skidd0>
indeed. and swank. and more of lisp.
<pjb>
Note: this is why slime is preferable: then you'd just use emacs lisp which is very close to common lisp to modify or add features.
<skidd0>
it's a lot to take on. thankfully i am done with semester.
<skidd0>
i tried spacemacs for a while. perhaps a regular ol' emacs session is due
<pjb>
skidd0: you're never done learning in this craft…
<skidd0>
but then i'd have to surrender my superiority complex
<skidd0>
pjb: indeed
<skidd0>
that's why i've found my way to it
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<defunkydrummer>
skidd0: from the URL you quoted: "Vlime has a rather different REPL implementation, which enables swank-presentations, that means you can copy & paste most of the values returned by the REPL, like you can in Emacs. Slimv cannot do this AFAIK." --> this means you can't do what you want
<defunkydrummer>
because what you want is being able to inspect a presentation
<skidd0>
yes, i'm aware
<defunkydrummer>
if I understand the description there right, you can't use presentations on SLIMV
<defunkydrummer>
you can try VLIME otoh
<skidd0>
i was asking if it was on the roadmap for slimv's development
<defunkydrummer>
or... Emacs plus SLIME, which is the benchmark
<defunkydrummer>
ok, sorry
<skidd0>
i had some issues with vlime
<skidd0>
i'm currently conducting "research" (web searching reddit and quara threads) on emacs and evil mode, vim-mode, etc
<skidd0>
to project the effort i might be in for should i attempt to switch editors
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<dim>
skidd0: you might like spacemacs?
<defunkydrummer>
if it's worth anything, I didn't know anything about Emacs and then I took the task of Lisp development using Emacs and SLIME. It only took me about 3 or 4 days to get comfortable,and now I quite like it.
<sjl_>
skidd0: I use vlime. I tried slimv and didn't like it, but I'm happy with vlime. If slimv is feeling limiting to you it might be worth giving vlime a go.
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<skidd0>
I had issue's with vlimes read only repl and some bugginess i can't recall
<skidd0>
also from about a year ago
<skidd0>
but it may also be worth another shot
<sjl_>
Ah, I don't use the Vlime repl much. I open a terminal split in Vim and run the lisp process right in there
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<dim>
what about writing a CL LSP server and allowing people to use vscode and other open source "modern" editors that way? ;-)
<Josh_2>
oof
<skidd0>
modern editors scare me. i don't like using a mouse if i don't have to
<dim>
skidd0: I mean they all have vim modal editing capabilities, or most of them do, right?
<skidd0>
but it's not the real vim
<skidd0>
do they have macros?
<sjl_>
dim: in the last blog post I wrote I mentioned that that would be a good idea. I just don't have the time/willpower to do it myself
<sjl_>
but yeah, I think it would be beneficial to the community to have an LSP server (probably piggybacking off of swank to do the dirty work behind the scenes)
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<sjl_>
I did some work at my last job writing an LSP server for Scala that used IntelliJ as a backend, so I know exactly how ugly the sausage can get.
<dim>
hehe
<dim>
how much of the work is done in the cl-langserver project, you'd say?
<sjl_>
oh, I've never seen that. I saw https://github.com/cxxxr/cl-lsp but it was unlicensed when I originally looked (now it looks like it's MIT, cool)
<sjl_>
looking through the code I can't find where they actually implement any of the actual LSP things...
<aeth>
they missed the opportunity to call the project common-lsp
<sjl_>
indeed
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<aeth>
obviously with the package nickname clsp
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<defunkydrummer>
dim: sjl_ there's already a prototype LSP server for CL
<defunkydrummer>
oops, you already found it
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<skidd0>
dim: i added common-lisp-sly to my .spacemacs file and tried to reload it but it says that layer can't be found
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<dim>
sorry I just pointed you to an interesting (?) direction, I use SLIME in Emacs myself and install slime support via Quicklisp
<skidd0>
i see
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<defunkydrummer>
open question to all: I need to search a text (inside a string, maximum ~ 10 KB) to find a specific string, and the search must be fuzzy, because the string contains an OCR'ed text. Which library should I use? Montezuma?
<defunkydrummer>
also, it would be great if I could say: "search for the presence of string F001-0002 near string INVOICE"
<defunkydrummer>
although I guess I could do that simply, if i can obtain the byte.position of each search result
<defunkydrummer>
if you have a suggestion, please tell our slave bot, MINION, to leave a memo for me
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<asdf_asdf_asdf>
Hi. If I have defined alien routine. It how assign this routine to variable, that type alien was alien, not another?
<Bike>
yeah there needs to be an actual WindowProc in C obviously
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<asdf_asdf_asdf>
Bike, OK. Which keyword maybe "alien" should apply?
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<aeth>
asdf_asdf_asdf: You picked one of the most advanced topics in Common Lisp (and then picked an implementation-specific approach for it, which probably means 5 people in the world can answer your questions). Just use someone else's winapi bindings unless those are somehow not enough, in which case you should use some autowrapper like cl-autowrap or claw.
<Josh_2>
oof
<aeth>
(And those 5 people might not use IRC, might not use CL anymore, or might not have a Windows box)
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<aeth>
I mean, go ahead with your approach if you want. If you succeed, then the number of people becomes 6, but it might take years.
<defunkydrummer>
asdf_asdf_asdf: did you see the URLs i left for you? this guy has several bindings to various Win32 APIs: https://github.com/fjames86
<defunkydrummer>
you might find something useful there
<defunkydrummer>
and at least his GUI bindings still work OK, (see "ftw" library)
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<asdf_asdf_asdf>
OK, thanks.
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<LdBeth>
Good morning everybody
<Josh_2>
Mornin
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<defunkydrummer>
(signal 'good-morning)
<no-defun-allowed>
Good morning everyone! [Condition of type GOOD-MORNING]
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