sb0 changed the topic of #m-labs to: ARTIQ, Migen, MiSoC, Mixxeo & other M-Labs projects :: fka #milkymist :: Logs http://irclog.whitequark.org/m-labs
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<GitHub104> [artiq] fallen pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/v3XPn
<GitHub104> artiq/master 966d0ee Yann Sionneau: pxi6733: fix verification of the number of buffered sample values
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<whitequark> sb0: didn't you use kicad for everything?
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<sb0> whitequark, on the dds card? I didn't do it. and it seems to be eagle.
<GitHub85> [artiq] sbourdeauducq pushed 3 new commits to master: http://git.io/v3M5m
<GitHub85> artiq/master 12b3157 Sebastien Bourdeauducq: doc: add precision about Git commit management
<GitHub85> artiq/master 13439c6 Sebastien Bourdeauducq: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:m-labs/artiq
<GitHub85> artiq/master 74b9601 Sebastien Bourdeauducq: Merge branch 'master' of github.com:m-labs/artiq
<GitHub131> [artiq] fallen pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/v3Mbo
<GitHub131> artiq/master 4ac79fb Yann Sionneau: conda: update libssh2 libgit2 pygit2 to use anaconda libs instead of system ones
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<whitequark> sb0: it's eagle yes. contracted, i see
<cr1901_modern> I do not get why ppl use Eagle when DipTrace or KiCad exists
<cr1901_modern> KiCad b/c well, it's open source, and DipTrace because it's easy to make parts and the free version has very reasonable restrictions
<cr1901_modern> Oh, and if it's a contracted design, I'm going to assume they have access to Altium*, which is prob what everyone would use if they didn't treat the hobbyist community like shit.
<mithro> Heyo, anyone here at the Chaos Communication Camp apart from me?
<GitHub51> [artiq] fallen pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/v3DRX
<GitHub51> artiq/master e6f3285 Yann Sionneau: travis: use the new m-labs anaconda repository during CI
<mithro> sb0: I met Mitch Altman today, he says Hi
<mithro> sb0: do you know anyone that might still be excited about milkymist stuff and at the camp?
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<GitHub164> [artiq] fallen pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/v3DP3
<GitHub164> artiq/master cf74cd0 Yann Sionneau: travis: dont overwrite conda env PATH, escape dollar signs, fixes #84
<whitequark> Eagle is pretty stable and convenient
<whitequark> kicad is hardly either
<cr1901_modern> Which is why I use DipTrace :P
<whitequark> is that windows-only or what
<cr1901_modern> Linux too
<cr1901_modern> oh and Mac
<cr1901_modern> Do you like Eagle's UI? I didn't. I got halfway done with a project, before I found DipTrace. The schematic capture isn't that much better compared to Eagle, but making new parts is a cinch!
<whitequark> I don't have many problems making Eagle parts...
<cr1901_modern> Could be different UI experiences. Additionally, I'm guessing you either use a paid version or a "completely legal" free version?
<cr1901_modern> In the free version of Eagle, I ran up against board dimension limits while making an ISA card with DIPs.
<cr1901_modern> And IIRC, it wasn't possible to make a four-layer board, and only one sheet for schematic capture was allowed.
<whitequark> free version had been enough so far
<cr1901_modern> Ahh, that would explain it. If you don't have issues with Eagle's UI and the free version is enough, then don't switch. >>
<cr1901_modern> My experiences have personally been that DipTrace is an all around better product with fewer restrictions and easier-to-learn. So if you make a design that requires more than Eagle allows, well, there's an option.
<cr1901_modern> (I only say don't switch b/c it's "what you're used to", btw :P)
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<GitHub185> [artiq] fallen pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/v3yDY
<GitHub185> artiq/master 8669f1d Yann Sionneau: manual: llvmlite-artiq conda package needs a recent libstdc++6
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<whitequark> could just buy eage
<rjo> ysionneau, sb0: feel free to loose patience with joe...
<ysionneau> hehe, at some point I can understand that he want the install steps to be as easy as possible
<ysionneau> wants*
<ysionneau> on my side my powerful dekstop machine runs Debian Jessie, which is - surprisingly enough for Debian - more up to date than Ubuntu LTS
<ysionneau> compiling LLVM is a bit of a pain (takes time a RAM), I would rather not have to build it inside a VM ...
<ysionneau> that would be painful
<ysionneau> time and ram*
<whitequark> "Ubuntu LTS" is basically "Ubuntu Debian stable", isn't it
<rjo> don't follow his wild speculations and unfounded suggestions.
<rjo> as i said. just use a chroot. that's native.
<whitequark> sb0: ok, done with sel4. working on artiq for time being...
<ysionneau> rjo: like I debootstrap an Ubuntu LTS and then chroot into it and build inside?
<ysionneau> never done that
<ysionneau> if you have some documentation about how to proceed :)
<whitequark> ysionneau: you've pretty much described it
<rjo> "more up to date" when comparing some debian stable and some ubuntu lts implies that the only correct version of a piece of software is the latest.
<ysionneau> yes I just compared libstdc++6
<rjo> ysionneau: yes.
<ysionneau> ok will give this a try then!
<whitequark> rjo: well, we use llvm. which implies that it does, for better or worse
<rjo> yes. a bit of a special case.
<ysionneau> thanks
<ysionneau> for now, calling it a day!
<ysionneau> ++
<rjo> ysionneau: see you.
<rjo> whitequark: ubuntu release import from debian unstable. there is little correlation between debian stable and ubuntu lts.
<rjo> or "lte" as joe calls it...
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<whitequark> rjo: oh, i meant spiritually
<rjo> whitequark: in that sense they are similar. except for the frequency.