11:05 <azonenberg> lekernel: status update on my CPLD stuff... the crossbar mux for the xc2c32a is either 25 or 50% decoded depending on if function block 2 is the same as FB1

11:05 <azonenberg> I've figured out all but six of the macrocell config fields and i know what two of the six do, just not the encoding

11:06 <azonenberg> of the other 4 i suspect "r" and "p" control FF/latch resets and "fb" and "inreg" are still complete unknowns

11:06 <azonenberg> i still have to figure out which of the product terms are the macrocell "fast inputs" but that's pretty trivial, i figured out for one of the 3 fast inputs already

11:06 <azonenberg> the other two i just havent tried

11:07 <azonenberg> then the global muxes are unknown but should be easy to figure out

11:07 <azonenberg> http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=sVi1u8Dp is current status output

11:07 <azonenberg> only a few more days of work left before i have the entire structure fully reversed and can start writing a place-and-route tool

11:07 <azonenberg> now that i'm making good progress on the interconnect i don't think there will be any nasty surprises

11:12 <Fallenou> very nice ascii drawing :)

11:13 <azonenberg> Fallenou: thanks, but it's not ascii

11:13 <azonenberg> it's utf-8 :P

11:13 <azonenberg> i should draw little AND and OR symbols in the wires while i'm at it...

11:15 <azonenberg> are there unicode points for "downward facing and gate" or "right facing or gate"? :P

11:15 <azonenberg> on the other hand maybe its not worth the effort considering this is mostly a debug visualization

11:22 <azonenberg> Back, connection glitch

11:22 <azonenberg> did i miss anything?

11:37 <azonenberg> ... and one more config bit bites the dust

11:38 <azonenberg> inreg=0 means the FF is driven directly from its associated pin, 1 means it's driven from fabric

13:06 <wpwrak> utf-8 bringing back retro graphics. so it's good at least for something :)

13:07 <wpwrak> FB1 has two 82 outputs. typo ? or do they mean something else than an index ?

13:08 <wpwrak> also, what are the inputs ?

13:11 <wpwrak> ah, the inputs are what's on the right. and 0< is an inverter, not a driver that produces 0 from anything :)

13:15 <kyak> wpwrak: utf-8 is bringing away codepages nightmare. And for that it's great

13:21 <kyak> ☻

13:21 <kyak> wpwrak: if you don't see that, you are not utf-8 ready :)

13:54 <wpwrak> ASCII needs no stinking code pages :)

13:55 <wpwrak> the english language is also a fine example that you don't need any fancy accents or such to have all sorts of different pronunciations for the same "base" letter

13:56 <wpwrak> and spanish demonstrates nicely that you can have new sounds by combining two letters, without anyone finding it unusual. i.e., the "ll"

13:57 <wpwrak> with a little effort and good will, we could have a nice simple unified alphabet already, still with room left for the parity bit :)

14:06 <larsc> you'd still have to deal with pre-unification texts

14:06 <Fallenou> spanish demonstrates also that you need ~ over n caracter :p

14:07 <Fallenou> which is not ascii afaik

14:07 <larsc> not ascii, but it's in one of the code pages

14:12 <wpwrak> Fallenou: this gets regularly transcribed as "n" or "ni". and as i said, in english, the same character or even whole word can have wildly different pronunciations. and people don't seem to make more mistakes than in other languages.

14:13 <wpwrak> Fallenou: even in spanish, you have significant differences depending on the region. for example, the "ll" is a soft "sh" in argenting and uruguay and something like "li" in the rest of the spanish-speaking world

14:14 <Fallenou> if your point is that we could get by without non-ascii caracters, I guess everyone can agree on that :)

14:15 <wpwrak> Fallenou: also, "y" is a soft "sh" in .ar and .uy but an "ee" (english pronunciation) in .*

14:15 <wpwrak> yeah, that's the point :) most languages are already pretty much there. it would have been a very minor effort for them.

14:16 <Fallenou> that being said, I'm not a chinese expert ^^

14:16 <wpwrak> larsc: yeah, legacy texts ... well, the publishers may have enjoyed the opportunity to refresh their copyrights :) but yes, historians would have hated that

14:17 <wpwrak> Fallenou: the asian languages would certainly the biggest problem. of course, also there transcriptions exist. and they don't seem overly cumbersome - might actually be more efficient than the original script. i don't know if the transcriptions lose some nuances, though.

14:18 <wpwrak> Fallenou: the time when asia was pretty much under the boot of the west may have been an opportunity for such a change. of course, nowadays it's more likely that we'll have to learn simplified chinese :)

14:19 <wpwrak> Fallenou: there's also precedent for old scripts dying out. e.g., how are your celtic runes ? :)

14:19 <larsc> wpwrak: You only find spelling bee competitions in english speaking countries, because for every other language they'd be to trivial

14:21 <wpwrak> larsc: hmm, a good point. but they should be able to do it in asia. there it would be even harder :)

14:25 <larsc> hm, apparently cadence does not want people to download their stuff

14:26 <larsc> if you click a download link you get a form where you need to fill in your personal information and if you complete that form they'll send you a download link

14:26 <wpwrak> spamgourmet is your friend :)

14:27 <Fallenou> (celtic runes): ahah , and elves symbols

14:27 <larsc> on my company email I don't get these confirmation mails, on my personal mail account I get them but when I click the link it says, 'download expired, please retry'

14:27 <wpwrak> there are even sites that generate a complete fake identity, complete with postal address, phone number, etc.

14:27 <wpwrak> ah, you already accepted their deal

14:28 <larsc> yea, need it for work

14:28 <wpwrak> seems that your company spam filter already knows that it serves no purpose and thus filters it :)

16:21 <roh> fake postal addresses.... heh.. schenker just failed delivering to a existing one

16:24 <wpwrak> see, it makes no difference :)

16:27 <wpwrak> for instance this one: http://www.fakenamegenerator.com/

16:28 <wpwrak> even gives you a credit card number. hopefully invalid :)

18:19 <lekernel> http://www.charbase.com/1f4a9-unicode-pile-of-poo

19:21 <wpwrak> ((-:C

19:46 <wpwrak> this is also a nice example for the limited usefulness of all this. now you have an encoding for anything including your dog's excrements, but hardly any software will display the underlying glyph.