00:07 <Joerg-Neo900> electronyc: actually nobody is working on website update. I lack the competence to do web editing, and since so many other stuff dropped on my feet I lack the time to write updates/news either. Also what ravelo said is partially to the point, there's no much newsworthy stuff. Alas we lack a PR officer who enjoys writing background stories

00:09 <Joerg-Neo900> Oksana is ricgt I'm considering updates high priority. But I don't know what to do about it, since... see above

00:11 <Joerg-Neo900> EffSquared: you could use a Secure element SIM smartcard in SIMslot#2

00:12 <Joerg-Neo900> yes, Devuan seems to be on 1.0 release now. Last time we mentioned that in our newsletter we received massive bashing from people who don't like Devuan :-S

00:13 <Joerg-Neo900> for the details and rationale about Devuan, see what Wizzup said

00:13 <Joerg-Neo900> it's to the point

20:10 <enyc> blourgh

20:12 <enyc> Joerg-Neo900: r.e. devuan surely you can explain the heterogenuous-options and devuan as default rather than it looking like "we only want devuan" i.e. to placate/reduce needless unhelpful complaining ... ??

20:30 <Joerg-Neo900> we didn't even say anything about "devuan supported on Neo900", we just had the "great, Devuan and Maemo cooperate" which was enough to make disgruntled users turn their back on the project

20:32 <Joerg-Neo900> it's not a big loss since those users - when becoming customers - would have false expectations about the project anyway, which would give us a lot of trouble in CR

20:32 <Joerg-Neo900> but I don't need to have another similar shitstorm

20:37 <Joerg-Neo900> I'll define the BSP we plan to deliver with Neo900: a bare bones single-user CLI-only linux system that's not based on any particular distro and can get upgraded to whatever linux distro you like (by replacing the PID1=ash by your favorite init system)

20:39 <Joerg-Neo900> kernel, core-utils, bash, openssh. That's it

20:40 <Joerg-Neo900> a few scripts to load and tickle the drivers for the device-specific HID/sensors/peripherals

20:40 <Joerg-Neo900> possibly ALSA

20:43 <Joerg-Neo900> add a BIG FAT warning that Neo900 UG the company is *NOT* involved into integrating the drivers into *any* particular linux or other distro, that's up to the community

20:44 <Joerg-Neo900> we just make sure we provide POC-drivers that suffice to test all peripherals for proper function

20:45 <Joerg-Neo900> and that's exactly what no other company does, they all provide a complete OS with usually closed blob drivers

20:46 <MonkeyofDoom> so users are going to have to work to get the drivers into staging and then the main tree?

20:46 <Joerg-Neo900> nah, afaik all drivers are already mainstream

20:46 <Joerg-Neo900> main tree

20:46 <MonkeyofDoom> ah, then no worries

20:47 <Joerg-Neo900> if there's a driver missing, we will provide it and we'll do in a way that's easy to get upstream

20:47 <Joerg-Neo900> since such "missing driver" is only a tiny lack of patching an existing one

20:48 <Joerg-Neo900> mind you, we have no "sekrit knowledge", we need to use same info and datasheets all the gifted linux kernel devels also have access to

20:49 <MonkeyofDoom> right

20:49 <Joerg-Neo900> so odds are those gifted devels already made all the drivers

20:52 <Joerg-Neo900> if one is missing, we either patch an existing similar driver to accommodate our particular hardware, or we help Linus, Pali, freemangordon and friends to do that, by providing all the datasheets we have and all the knowledge we gathered

20:53 <Joerg-Neo900> I already did that for the BQ24150 kernel driver Pali wrote according to my specs, for N900

20:54 <Joerg-Neo900> and iirc for a few other ones

20:54 <Joerg-Neo900> LIS302? BQ27xxx?

20:55 <Joerg-Neo900> ooh, and the scary N900 USB hostmode hack

20:56 <Joerg-Neo900> Neo900 will have working genuine hostmode, without hacks needed ;-)

20:56 <Joerg-Neo900> ~h-e-n

20:56 <infobot> hen is probably hostmode-easy-now, or http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232, or see ~hostmode

21:38 <atk> N900 needs a hack to be a USB host?

21:39 <atk> interesting

21:39 <atk> I'm guessing the USB controller for the Neo900 is some proper thing which supports OTG?

22:07 <Joerg-Neo900> yes, and yes

22:08 <Joerg-Neo900> atk: Nokia developers claimed hostmode would be absolutely impossible on N900. well they were right ;-) Best I could do was h-e-n

22:08 <Joerg-Neo900> atk: you may bet on me getting working proper USB OTG into Neo900

22:13 <atk> :P