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<bl33d15> any updates regarding neo900?
<Joerg-Neo900> metacollin is doing the layout, progress as expected
<Joerg-Neo900> finally \o/
<jonsger> Joerg-Neo900: but not on git?
<Joerg-Neo900> ooh and transferwise feels uncapable to offer transfer of payments to Neo900 UG's bank account. They can't tell me *why*, though
<Joerg-Neo900> jonsger: we don't publish the layout project files on git until sales start. A pity but necessary to fight copycats
<jonsger> ah
<Joerg-Neo900> but actually I think he pushed to a local branch so far, since I don't see commits on internal git either
<Joerg-Neo900> will ask him about that as soon as he's online again
<Joerg-Neo900> jonsger: I will publish pdf layout printouts as soon as something "interesting" is available
<Joerg-Neo900> we also might publish the UPPER layout project files since UPPER in v2 is comletely different to final version
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<Joerg-Neo900> o.O
<Joerg-Neo900> ooh jonsger, there you are again :-)
<Joerg-Neo900> jonsger: if you want access to the layout, just msg me
<jonsger> Joerg-Neo900: no I don't really want. I was just coriuos about it :P
<Joerg-Neo900> :-)
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<Joerg-Neo900> [2017-09-11 Mon 19:41:39] <metacollin> Find: /(\$Comp\nL [C][\s\S]+?(?=F 1)F 1 "(.+)"[\s\S]+?(?=F 2)F 2 ".+:[C]_(\d\d\d\d).+\n.+)/
<Joerg-Neo900> [2017-09-11 Mon 19:41:39] <metacollin> Replace: \1\nF 4 "MF-CAP-\3-\2" H 10 10 60 0001 C CNN "MPN"
<Joerg-Neo900> ;-D
<Joerg-Neo900> so much for the BOM other layouters said was mandatory. We keep that in *.sch resp inside kicad at least
<jonwil> Sounds like there is something vaguely resembling progress on the next iteration of the Neo900 PCB...
<Joerg-Neo900> yes, we contracted metacollin
<Joerg-Neo900> see /topic
<jonwil> Nice.
<Joerg-Neo900> finally a layouter who knows kicad, is available for "fulltime commercial" work, *AND* is personally interested in the project
<Joerg-Neo900> I personally would think metacollin is the best thing happening to the project since wpwrak joined
<jonwil> I wonder how hard it would be to implement full disk encryption on Maemo Fremantle (either on N900 or Neo900).
<Joerg-Neo900> I think some N900 users already got that
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<Joerg-Neo900> performance wise it's obviously a massive impact though
<Joerg-Neo900> I'm not sure if there's hw crypt acceleration
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<jonwil> It would be an interesting experiment to try and get something like TrueCrypt (one of those forks that have been verified free of backdoors I guess) running though, I bet if it was implemented properly with high strength encryption keys it would be even harder for an attacker to crack open than whatever Apple was using that gave the FBI so much trouble...
<jonwil> Assuming you protected those keys with a decent hard-to-guess passphrase or something that is
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<Joerg-Neo900> jonwil: you are aware of RX-51_2009SE_crypto.tar.gz ? I got no real idea what's that
<jonwil> I dont know what that is either.
<jonwil> I dont have any real reason to worry about encryption though, my phone
<jonwil> My phone is almost always right near me (or in my house safe from being stolen)
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<jonwil> And I dont keep anything particularly sensitive on the device
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<jonwil> Not that I particularly want to try and flash anything to my device in any case (the USB port isn't in tip top condition and I dont have a system capable of running the flasher right now)
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<pigeons> ^^ A Hardware Privacy Monitor for iPhones (schneier.com)
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<Joerg-Neo900> pigeons: yep, we know this, not exactly new news
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<Joerg-Neo900> we thoroughly analyzed their approach and found a few flaws in it - worst of them being the poor expense/benefit ratio since a simple killswitch would have done the same. Anyway Neo900 is way beyond what Snaowden&Bunnie are creating there
<pigeons> yeah
<Joerg-Neo900> https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2017/09/a_hardware_priv.html random quote >> "You don't have to trust us." That is just wrong. This blog has been full of reports of people who put up security apparatus that has failed, because the authors didn't know enough about security to do it right.<<
<Joerg-Neo900> you may trust Neo900 since we offer full disclosure of the hardware
<Joerg-Neo900> so you can check with your own eyes what you get
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<Joerg-Neo900> doesn't apply to any iPhone, no matter how "smart" the piggyback "security" strapon
<Joerg-Neo900> they use a RF control bus to deduce what the phone is doing. For that to work you first need to know and undersand the phone
<Joerg-Neo900> understand, even
<Joerg-Neo900> >>Snowden has name recognition, but beyond that, does anyone really have knowledge of his technical skills?<< ;-)
<Joerg-Neo900> >>Good points, but the primary use case seems to be for people who turn their phone off at a sensitive meeting, and want a device just to ensure that it's actually off, without having to carry a cage. It doesn't really serve a purpose when the phone is on and regularly squawking to everything nearby.<<
<Joerg-Neo900> (cont.d) >>Unfortunately, the obvious easy workaround is to just record a conversation, then exfiltrate it once the phone has turned back on. A Faraday cage can't guard against that either, though it might muffle the sound some. You'd have to monitor the chip's electrical levels at a much deeper level than seems possible here to guard against that.<<
<Joerg-Neo900> which is exactly what Neo900 does
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<Joerg-Neo900> basucs: the linux is considered safe since user has 100% control over it (unlike all those proprietary phone-OS), and anything we don't have control over (read: modem) is sandboxed and also has a true killswitch controlled by safe linux
<Joerg-Neo900> basics:*
<Joerg-Neo900> as opposed to >> Asaresult,thisworkstartswiththeassumptionthataphonecanandwillbe compromised.<<
<Joerg-Neo900> when the phone got compromised like S&B assume, there's zilch that can save you from getting recorded by the phone and *later on* the recorded data gets sneaked out wrapped into normal expected data communication like phonecalls or accessing the internet
<Joerg-Neo900> the whole thing is flawed by concept
<drathir> luks+os without systemd...
<drathir> bare minimum i guess...
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<knttl> Joerg-Neo900: pretty serious ....
<knttl> turn off until (if) patch available.
<Joerg-Neo900> yes
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<Joerg-Neo900> we need to do something about our website :-S
<Joerg-Neo900> > I found your customized N900, is the project still going? I am interested in
<Joerg-Neo900> > buying one of those phones.
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<knttl> whats bothering you? he didn't "find" the shop? or didnt understand the board will be completely different?
<Joerg-Neo900> he asked if the prokect is still alive
<Joerg-Neo900> project*
<Joerg-Neo900> it's about as bad as it gets when interested people can't tell the porject is alive still
<Joerg-Neo900> whatever the reason, something is wrong with out appearance
<Joerg-Neo900> actually I seen 3 new customers in last 2 weeks
<Joerg-Neo900> 2 of them asked in email about the project
<knttl> suggestions: focus the top of the page on updates/news. put big dates on the actricels for better visibility.
<Joerg-Neo900> yep, that's probably the way to go
<knttl> dont put the word "Archive" near ther top of the page.
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<Joerg-Neo900> now we need somebody to implement that... in Pelican
<knttl> update the date on the "production cycle image".
<knttl> i've just written my last exam for the semester. i will try to look into pelican in the net few days. can't promise anything, but will try it.
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<Joerg-Neo900> you're aware of www git?
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