Joerg-Neo900 changed the topic of #neo900 to: http://neo900.org | CCCAMP15 lightning talks at http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ - major: http://neo900.org/stuff/cccamp15/ccc2015talk/neo900-wpwrak_CCC2015.webm | conversations are logged to http://infobot.rikers.org/%23neo900/ and http://irclog.whitequark.org/neo900 | Welcome newest team member metacollin!
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<knttl> metacollin: i'm not an expert. but this looks pretty mich like a pcb-circuit-stuff to me.
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<galiven> And there are numbers on it, but seems strange that the same number is there twice, though I'm not an expert either.
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<Joerg-Neo900> it's WIP, so don't worry :-D
<Joerg-Neo900> the numbers mean nothing obvious I think
<Joerg-Neo900> could be the square millimeters of the footprint, or whatever
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<sn0wmonster> so working on the next announcement, but Joerg had a good idea to give people here a chance to critique and potentially add suggestions to the announcements since people here often have questions they want answered anyway
<sn0wmonster> so if you guys could take a second to visit this pad https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/Op6cbBhkm2
<sn0wmonster> after a day or two of community review, if there's nothing major that screams to be added, we'll push it to the website
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<jonsger> it's now the 4th or 5th layouter?
<Joerg-Neo900> it's the second contracted one, after Nikolaus
<jonsger> oke
<Joerg-Neo900> well, for Nikolaus "contracted" sounds a tad weird
<Joerg-Neo900> and the contract been signed yesterday
<Joerg-Neo900> so it's probably fair to say it's our very first professional layouter
<varu|zZz> Joerg-Neo900: the SoC is the same as at the start of the project? with 1GB RAM?
<Joerg-Neo900> much time been "wasted" on learning how to *find* a layouter. I think finally we learned that lesson and found the best one we possibly could get
<Joerg-Neo900> yes
<Joerg-Neo900> DM3730 with 1GB RAM PoP
<Joerg-Neo900> as good as it gets in OMAP3 world
<Joerg-Neo900> for higher specs you would need to go OMAP4 or 5, where I never will use OMAP4 since it has some nasty SiErr afaik
<varu|zZz> my only concern is interest in the platform as the specs continue to fall behind what people have come to expect
<Joerg-Neo900> OMAP5 is too large/bulky for Neo900
<Joerg-Neo900> varu|zZz: DM3730 + 1GB RAM is what N9 has. As long as you don't consider N9 as too slow, you will be OK with Neo900
<varu|zZz> of course, and anyone interested will definitely want to have something in hand vs. the 3d realms story
<Joerg-Neo900> we're not focused on numbers, we focus on functionality
<varu|zZz> sounds good :)
<varu|zZz> The current expectation for v2 prototype layout completion is 5 weeks.
<varu|zZz> even better!
<Joerg-Neo900> the system performance for sure will not suffice for VR-goggles, but then I don't think that's a usecase anybody seriously planned for Neo900. For brwosing, video playback etc the performance should absolutely suffice
<sn0wmonster> i agree. i am bummed it can't be OMAP5, 2 GB RAM, 120GB SDCARD storage, and 64bit processor,
<sn0wmonster> but that's only because i want to run TailsOS on it with Monero daemon
<sn0wmonster> hehe
<sn0wmonster> for normal people, i don't think it's going to matter much
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<Joerg-Neo900> 128GB eMMC is still not off the table
<Joerg-Neo900> though I guss 64GB will suffice
<Joerg-Neo900> if you need more, add a 256GB uSD
<sn0wmonster> i think the issue was that Monero uses a lot of CPU power to hash through the blockchain
<Joerg-Neo900> ooh yes#
<sn0wmonster> and that the handling libraries were written specifically for 64 bit chipsets
<sn0wmonster> so if it were to be done on a 32 bit chip it would fall back to default code, which is eons slower
<sn0wmonster> but there is a solution for that -- write the faster code for 32 bit too!
<Joerg-Neo900> hmm, that shouldn't matter much, except for the obvious boost in CPU grunt from 64bit
<sn0wmonster> iirc it takes 1 hash every 2 seconds on pi 1 vs 25 hashes/sec on a mediocre smartphone,
<Joerg-Neo900> when you have to deal with 64bit words of data, then obviously a 32bit arch is less than half as fast as a 64bit arch, since each data access needs two operations instead of one
<sn0wmonster> so it'd be like 50:1 difference for processing the blockchain
<sn0wmonster> basically if you didn't preload it from your own desktop by copying an updated blockchain file, it would *never* catch up with the current blockchain
<sn0wmonster> this was told to me by a Monero dev who got Monero working on his pi
<sn0wmonster> if we could get it to that point, through software alone, to where we could run TailsOS with Monero,
<sn0wmonster> i think Neo900 would become the new hackers phone for everyone
<sn0wmonster> but i think the Tails devs no longer support 32 bit because Debian no longer supports 32 bit either
<sn0wmonster> it's definintely a limitation, but i guess only if you're trying to use it like your main desktop
<sn0wmonster> instead of an incredibly powerful handheld
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<bonggie> test
<sn0wmonster> failed! :)
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<pantat> hello
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<galiven> sn0wmonster: 'windy' in the first sentence reads like there was wind blowing through the air adn doesn't make much sense to me.
<galiven> Maybe 'twists and turns' would be more idiomatic?
<MonkeyofDoom> try "winding"?
<sn0wmonster> i think that's a poor choice of word, as it means "twists and turns" but should have been "winding"
<galiven> Yeah, that would work too.
<sn0wmonster> to differentiate it from "wind"
<sn0wmonster> too confusing, agreed
<galiven> It would make sense in speech since the pronunciation is different, just not so good in text.
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<codot> good night
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<Joerg-Neo900> good evening
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<galiven> I left a couple of notes in green.
<sodadosa> Joerg-Neo900 where are you from ?
<Joerg-Neo900> Germany
<sodadosa> Greetings from Indonesia
<codot> sodadosa hello
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<knttl> sodadosa: greets from germany :)
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<sodadosa> i hope neo900 will release soon :)
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