<Joerg-Neo900>
if you want simpler new stuff, do your own
<houkime>
It introduces delays and oksana is currently stuck in one.
<houkime>
whatever
<Joerg-Neo900>
oksana is stuck in nothing
<Joerg-Neo900>
except I missed any request by her inb the noise produced by you
<Joerg-Neo900>
he might be stuck with false info you provided, regarding the repo
<Joerg-Neo900>
she*
<Joerg-Neo900>
I can't see any other stuff she's stuck with
<Joerg-Neo900>
if she wants to review your layout done inder the NDA, then she and you are stuck with me giving an OK to you to share the layout to her. Everything else there IS NOTHING anybody could get stuck
<Joerg-Neo900>
sprry I have a hard time considering all this presented by you as productive cooperation
<Joerg-Neo900>
actually I think it's detrimental to the minimal rest of life in the project, by trampling over the achievements made so far
<Oksana>
houkime : 1) Don't turn me into example, I haven't even installed VirtualBox yet, and it's perfectly fine by me to wait a month for access even when I get around to opening to kicad - I have many other things to do, and I have better idea about python than about kicad (and I don't even like python);
<Oksana>
2) while it would be fun for contributors to be able to jump in easily, it could wreak havoc onto large and complicated project of Neo900 - SparkFun is for tiny things;
<Oksana>
several days is not too long;
<houkime>
ok
<houkime>
sorry
<Oksana>
And it's interesting to see that apparently board/layout is better done by one person, and schematics by another - but then, I don't know enough about the difference between board and schematics.
<houkime>
with neo900 it's just a bit too big to be hadled alone from end to end esp if you're not a contracter.
<houkime>
*handled
<houkime>
at least in reasonable time
<houkime>
And because it is a conversion phone lots of extra research is needed and considerations.
<houkime>
that's why i think more people involved is better.
<houkime>
esp since stuff gets obsolete on the fly
<houkime>
and that's why i want to ease contributions.
<Oksana>
Ideally, important [which cannot be replaced by a newer version] stuff gets bought before it gets obsolete (and then "obsolete" doesn't matter).
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<houkime>
Ideally yes. Not the case here though.(
<Oksana>
Don't whine. I can easily give example of a phone-making company which hasn't given any updates for the last four months... Despite claiming that they are all ready, will ship soon [just some more checks to do] And they had much more publicity in the news than Neo900.
<houkime>
Was it an opensource company?
<Oksana>
Nay. But at least, they promised multi-boot aka "you can boot anything you wish".
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<houkime>
my point was that we need more devspeed that I can possibly provide in order not to be late to the shinking N900s market.
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<houkime>
And the devspeed for opensource is contributors and their ease of doing stuff.
<houkime>
*shrinking
<houkime>
right now we don't have the money to reserve all n900s project needs if i understand correctly
<houkime>
also clientbase is getting smaller no matter of reserved n900s.
<Oksana>
houkime : Far from shrinking, I would hope. But then, it's difficult to figure out proportion of people looking for something like Neo900, without doing aggressive marketing.
<Oksana>
And for aggressive marketing to work, it would be nice to have some good news. Such as, "layout good, making the final prototype" or something.
<Oksana>
And large number of contributors can make layout-ing difficult because of mis-communication.
<Oksana>
And I have installed geda, besides Kicad. Once I install VirtualBox, will try to take a look at http://neo900.org/git/ee/tree/hw with three different programs, I guess (KiCad4, KiCad5, and gEDA).
<houkime>
I don't really believe colayouting can't be organized ok, also I don't think we will achieve real large numbers on this one, at least soon.
<Joerg-Neo900>
you don't need the VM, kicad4 should be available genuinely for your system
* Oksana
nods - which version of kicad is in Debian Stretch?..
* Oksana
should switch to Devuan repositories, but with the way I am going, I gain experience with setting up the system by going through unnecessary obstacles. Such as, installing jessie, and then upgrading to stretch (instead of installing stretch from the start)
<Oksana>
Yes, KiCAD 4.0.5 in Stretch/aka/Stable
<houkime>
Oksana: do you have a public key on a keyserver so I can send you layout stuff encrypted with it?
* Oksana
has no idea what a keyserver is, and hasn't ever got around to making a public key
<houkime>
If atk were around he could give you read access and then it could be a standard ssh procedure.
<houkime>
I'm not sure I got his talent of guiding people through stuff.
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<houkime>
recovered my conversation with atk on this. It should work like this. You install gnu-pg, then run $ gpg --full-generate-key to generate a new gpg keypair
<houkime>
then you want to export public key to an external keyserver $ gpg --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --send-keys <your public key footprint here>
<Oksana>
houkime : I am not at Linux computer right now, have got to wait till 20h later or so.
<houkime>
ok (although this procedure is not really linux-bound)
<houkime>
I need to sleep
<houkime>
bye
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