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jdrake>
what is the difference between ocamlc and ocamlopt?
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mrvn>
bytecode and asm
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jdrake>
nevermind, i will get the sdl lib
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jdrake>
anyone know how to compile ocamlsdl on macosx?
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jdrake>
i can't get past the configure pare for finding sdl, it can't link together the test
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reltuk>
I wish there was a hyperspec type thing I could install in emacs for ocaml :-p
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emu>
you need a standard, first ;)
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taw>
can i somehow make ocaml tell me from which line does exception come ?
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taw>
all "other" languages do so
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emu>
not necesarily
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emu>
but i thought it did
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emu>
it's debugging info
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taw>
Fatal error: exception Invalid_argument("out-of-bound array or string access")
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taw>
this is very useful ;)
* emu
reminds taw that not all exceptions may require debugging
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taw>
finding such stuff out by hand
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emu>
that's what a debugger is for
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taw>
in other languages i would be informed at which line was it thrown
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emu>
Fatal error: exception Luser("luser tried to run program")
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taw>
and i would just go there and fix that off by one
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taw>
having to trace it, yuck
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taw>
even in c assert() says where it was thrown
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emu>
and I just gave you an example of an exception which providing line-numbers doesn't mean shit
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taw>
perl, ruby, name them
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emu>
in GCC it does
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emu>
in Larry Wall's Perl
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taw>
__LINE__ and
__FINE__ are part of standard ansi c, not ?
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emu>
and whoever's Ruby
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taw>
but that's the right way
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emu>
so? are exceptions?
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emu>
line numbers are debugging info and should not be provided unless requested
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taw>
so ? what's the switch to turn them on ?
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taw>
i want to request 'em
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emu>
i recommend looking into ocamldebug
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Kinners>
you can get ocamlrun to generate a stack backtrace I think
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taw>
that woul be nice
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Kinners>
you can also backstep in the debugger
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mrvn>
Does that work with mutables?
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olrion>
:) this one is funny, i never try to say yip yip
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jdrake>
is this channel always so 'lively' as I see during the last day or so?
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jdrake>
about one block of text in the last 15 hours or so ;)
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cDlm>
jdrake: wait, I'm new here >:)
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jdrake>
i finally found something that could potentially teach me ocaml coming from imperative
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jdrake>
i would really like to get ocaml sdl to compile on osx though, doesn't get past finding sdl which i give it the location and everything
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vegai>
jdrake: nice link
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jdrake>
thanks, it looks like a god-sent to me, even though i am only on the second chapter
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jdrake>
one thing I haven't worked out - why would somebody choose ocaml over sml?
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vegai>
I also don't like those "everything you have in your brain now is useless. Now you must read 800 pages"
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vegai>
better implementation, I guess
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vegai>
don't know about sml myself, though
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jdrake>
sml looked reasonable
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vegai>
"sml vs ocaml" in google brings up surprisingly good results
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jdrake>
it doesn't really matter though
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cDlm>
jdrake: there is problems with linking for ocaml on OSX
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jdrake>
cDim, great :-)
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cDlm>
seems ocamlc doesnt know the OSX linker :/
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vegai>
"minus three" is ~3 in SML?!
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vegai>
ah, to avoid confusion with operator -, of course
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jdrake>
does ocaml use cvs that I might be able to run away with some newer source?
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jdrake>
vegai, i especailly like the /. operator, how that blasted website got into ocaml i shall never know
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jdrake>
esp a#7. Technical opinions refereed by popular vote means lousy technical opinions.
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jdrake>
Smerdyakov, welcome to #ocaml :-)
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Smerdyakov>
Welcome to.
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jdrake>
Smerdyakov, would you have some time to read an article I am writing in a little while? It has an atheiestic vein to it
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Smerdyakov>
jdrake, sure, especially with a loose definition of "a little while" :-)
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jdrake>
Smerdyakov, you aren't some phsycology student or logical nut would you be?
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Smerdyakov>
I often say that I have the equivalent of a master's degree in mathematical logic, based on my courses taken and research.
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Smerdyakov>
And that
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Smerdyakov>
's part of my focus for my upcoming PhD work.
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jdrake>
Smerdyakov, you wouldn't happen to be on a mac would you?
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Smerdyakov>
No way, Jose.
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jdrake>
There is this program called hydra that would work especially well in this sort of case
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jdrake>
interactive sharing of a document that marks changes made by two people connected to it
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Smerdyakov>
I've seen its web page brielfy, but... I have to go putz around for a bit now.
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