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<jdrake> what is the difference between ocamlc and ocamlopt?
<mrvn> bytecode and asm
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<jdrake> anyone know of a mirror for http://www.issactrotts.net/libs/lablglut-1.2.2.tgz ? it seems to be unaccessible
<jdrake> nevermind, i will get the sdl lib
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<jdrake> anyone know how to compile ocamlsdl on macosx?
<jdrake> i can't get past the configure pare for finding sdl, it can't link together the test
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<reltuk> I wish there was a hyperspec type thing I could install in emacs for ocaml :-p
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<emu> you need a standard, first ;)
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<taw> can i somehow make ocaml tell me from which line does exception come ?
<taw> all "other" languages do so
<emu> not necesarily
<emu> but i thought it did
<emu> it's debugging info
<taw> Fatal error: exception Invalid_argument("out-of-bound array or string access")
<taw> this is very useful ;)
* emu reminds taw that not all exceptions may require debugging
<taw> finding such stuff out by hand
<emu> that's what a debugger is for
<taw> no
<taw> in other languages i would be informed at which line was it thrown
<emu> Fatal error: exception Luser("luser tried to run program")
<taw> and i would just go there and fix that off by one
<emu> uh, no
<taw> having to trace it, yuck
<taw> even in c assert() says where it was thrown
<emu> and I just gave you an example of an exception which providing line-numbers doesn't mean shit
<taw> perl, ruby, name them
<emu> no
<emu> in GCC it does
<emu> in Larry Wall's Perl
<taw> __LINE__ and __FINE__ are part of standard ansi c, not ?
<emu> and whoever's Ruby
<taw> but that's the right way
<emu> so? are exceptions?
* emu disagrees
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<emu> line numbers are debugging info and should not be provided unless requested
<taw> so ? what's the switch to turn them on ?
<taw> i want to request 'em
<emu> i recommend looking into ocamldebug
<Kinners> you can get ocamlrun to generate a stack backtrace I think
<taw> that woul be nice
<Kinners> you can also backstep in the debugger
<mrvn> Does that work with mutables?
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<olrion> yop yop
<jdrake> yip yip
<olrion> :) this one is funny, i never try to say yip yip
<cDlm> doh doh
<jdrake> is this channel always so 'lively' as I see during the last day or so?
<jdrake> about one block of text in the last 15 hours or so ;)
<cDlm> jdrake: wait, I'm new here >:)
<jdrake> i finally found something that could potentially teach me ocaml coming from imperative
<jdrake> i would really like to get ocaml sdl to compile on osx though, doesn't get past finding sdl which i give it the location and everything
<vegai> jdrake: nice link
<jdrake> thanks, it looks like a god-sent to me, even though i am only on the second chapter
<jdrake> one thing I haven't worked out - why would somebody choose ocaml over sml?
<vegai> I also don't like those "everything you have in your brain now is useless. Now you must read 800 pages"
<vegai> better implementation, I guess
<vegai> don't know about sml myself, though
<jdrake> sml looked reasonable
<vegai> "sml vs ocaml" in google brings up surprisingly good results
<jdrake> it doesn't really matter though
<cDlm> jdrake: there is problems with linking for ocaml on OSX
<jdrake> cDim, great :-)
<cDlm> seems ocamlc doesnt know the OSX linker :/
<vegai> "minus three" is ~3 in SML?!
<vegai> ah, to avoid confusion with operator -, of course
<jdrake> does ocaml use cvs that I might be able to run away with some newer source?
<jdrake> vegai, i especailly like the /. operator, how that blasted website got into ocaml i shall never know
<cDlm> lol
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<vegai> =)
<jdrake> esp a#7. Technical opinions refereed by popular vote means lousy technical opinions.
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<jdrake> Smerdyakov, welcome to #ocaml :-)
<Smerdyakov> Welcome to.
<jdrake> Smerdyakov, would you have some time to read an article I am writing in a little while? It has an atheiestic vein to it
<Smerdyakov> jdrake, sure, especially with a loose definition of "a little while" :-)
<jdrake> Smerdyakov, you aren't some phsycology student or logical nut would you be?
<Smerdyakov> I often say that I have the equivalent of a master's degree in mathematical logic, based on my courses taken and research.
<Smerdyakov> And that
<Smerdyakov> 's part of my focus for my upcoming PhD work.
<jdrake> Smerdyakov, you wouldn't happen to be on a mac would you?
<Smerdyakov> HA
<Smerdyakov> No way, Jose.
<jdrake> There is this program called hydra that would work especially well in this sort of case
<jdrake> interactive sharing of a document that marks changes made by two people connected to it
<Smerdyakov> I've seen its web page brielfy, but... I have to go putz around for a bit now.
<jdrake> putz?
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