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<jdavis_> how does ocaml differentiate between pure functions and functions with side effects (like syscalls)?
<jdavis_> and how do I make sure the side effects happen when I want them to?
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<flux> jdavis_, it doesn't. it is determined by evaluation order.
<flux> let a = .. in let b = .. in .. -> the first ".." is evaluated before the second ".."
<flux> note that this doesn't always mean top-to-down, left-to-right: let l = a::b::c -> c will be evaluated first.
<flux> however I don't think such behavior is quite specified, so I wouldn't personally write code that relies on that.
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<jdavis_> flux: I'm not sure I completely understand
<flux> let a = output_string "a" in let b = output_string "b" .. will output ab
<jdavis_> I suppose a syscall only has it's side effects when all arguments to the function are fully evaluated
<flux> hmh, make that print_string
<jdavis_> oh, ok
<flux> usually functions are evaluated only then their all arguments have been applied.. you can't see that from the function type, though
<jdavis_> ok
<jdavis_> I think it would help if I could see some example code
<jdavis_> is there a sample out there that has a lot of functions with side effects in?
<jdavis_> where execution order is important?
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<jdavis_> Well, thanks, I'll just read and experiment some more.
<zvrba> hmm
<zvrba> maybe a stupid question - why does Ocaml seem to have larger community than SML ?
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<flux> no idea. but perhaps the goal of ocaml (be a practical ml-family language) has been reached?
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<zvrba> why isn't sml considered practical?
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<mbishop> I think it's the same reason Scheme isn't considered practical
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<flux> well, there are always the comparisons: http://www.cs.berkeley.edu/~adamc/mlcomp/
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<Mr_Awesome> zvrba: simple, ocaml has a cooler sounding name
<flux> also: ocaml has objects!
<Mr_Awesome> no... that cant be it
<Mr_Awesome> :P
<Mr_Awesome> i dont really like OO so i never use it anyway
<zvrba> flux: ah, thx for the link
<zvrba> objects just suck :P
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<krumms> http://www.vector-seven.com/2007/10/03/the-many-humps-of-ocaml-part-2/ - part two of my Ocaml tutorial finally lives :)
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