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<tsuyoshi> hm I need a camlzip meta file
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<hcarty> tsuyoshi: godi, Debian, Fedora and Batteries have META files for use with camlzip
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<det> hcarty, camlzip is called "zip" on Debian, and camlzip everywhere else, really annoying :<
<det> I have to put this in my Makefiles when using it:
<det> OCAMLZIP=($shell ocamlfind list | sed -rn "s/^(zip|camlzip).*/\1/p")
<det> and if using ocamlbuild, you'd have to do something using myocamlbuild.ml
<det> ... and dont even get me started on lablgtk2 incompatibilities all over the place
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<tsuyoshi> yeah actually I just wrote this function for omake
<tsuyoshi> ocamlfind_alternatives(names) =
<tsuyoshi> foreach(d, $(names)):
<tsuyoshi> if $(equal $(shell-code $(OCAMLFIND) $(OCAMLFINDFLAGS) query -p-format $(d)), 0)
<tsuyoshi> return $(d)
<tsuyoshi> and then I put $(ocamlfind_alternatives camlzip zip) in my packages
<mehdid_> det: Xavier recommands the usage of zip, as it's written in the README file
<tsuyoshi> xavier should put a meta file in there to end the confusion once and for all
<det> ahh, good
<det> I'm not blaming Debian
<det> It is just undermines the whole purpose of findlib, all these consistencies
<det> The lablgtk2 situation is even worse, IMO
<det> Debian/Godi/Gentoo, all different
<det> some link gtkInit/gtkThread by default
<det> some dont
<det> some will link them if you set certain predicates
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<rwmjones> _zack, morning
<_zack> rwmjones: hi
<rwmjones> _zack, I need ocaml-autoconf ... I can't find any reference to the git repo via the site
<_zack> rwmjones: ok, but you remind that you haven't committed anything to it yet, don't you?
* _zack is gonna provide the URL for the first push
<rwmjones> _zack, git is weird about how it behaves when there's nothing in the repo
<_zack> I know
<_zack> rwmjones: git+ssh://git.ocamlcore.org/gitroot/ocaml-autoconf/ocaml-autoconf.git
<_zack> (that's for ssh push/pull)
<_zack> while for http there is the URL displayed at http://git.ocamlcore.org/cgi-bin/gitweb.cgi?p=ocaml-autoconf/ocaml-autoconf.git;a=summary
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<rwmjones> can we add links on the site too?
<_zack> meaning?
<rwmjones> there's no reference to git on the site, only to svn, which is very confusing
<_zack> to the gitweb page ?
<_zack> ah
<Yoric[DT]> hi
<_zack> well, the problem is that the gforge version we are using isn't yet git-aware
<_zack> will be solved with the next gforge
<_zack> which will be installed just after debian/lenny release
<_zack> what I did for other *forge projects where I use git, is adding a link to gitweb to the (customized) homepage, see for example http://camlbz2.forge.ocamlcore.org
<rwmjones> that'd be good
<_zack> rwmjones: you can do that by yourself
<rwmjones> oh sometimes I really hate git
<rwmjones> fatal: no matching remote head
<_zack> you can't pull
<_zack> you must push to bootstrap
<_zack> hence first create a local repo, add the forge as remote, and push to it
<rwmjones> I know .. it's just it lacks some basic usability
<_zack> :-)
<mehdid_> _zack: have you considered using something else than gforge ?
<_zack> mehdid_: no, and given the current: (1) committment (2) work force, we won't change that
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<rwmjones> det, file bugs with the various distributions so that the behaviour is unified
<det> lablgtk2 doesnt include a META file
<det> So who is to say who is right
<rwmjones> there's a good start, supply one to the upstream project
<det> I guess I should file a bug against lablgtk2 :-)
<_zack> det: in that case one META should be proposed upstream
<_zack> IIRC, I did that about 5 years ago
<det> with lablgtk2 ?
<_zack> no, it was of course lablgtk still
<rwmjones> I'm quite sure jacques will add one to upstream if gently reminded about it
<rwmjones> & supplied with a usable patch
<rwmjones> oh god I hate git
<rwmjones> No refs in common and none specified; doing nothing.
<rwmjones> Perhaps you should specify a branch such as 'master'.
<rwmjones> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
<rwmjones> error: failed to push some refs to 'git+ssh://rwmj@git.ocamlcore.org/gitroot/ocaml-autoconf/ocaml-autoconf.git'
<rwmjones> $ git push master
<rwmjones> fatal: 'master': unable to chdir or not a git archive
<rwmjones> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
<_zack> IIRC you need to specify both remote and head
<_zack> like "git push origin master" or something such
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<rwmjones> no I'm gonna post a snotty email on the git mailing list
<_zack> that too
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<sgnb> rwmjones: IIUC, you have a local repo, the remote one is empty, and you want to push your changes?
<rwmjones> sgnb, yes
<rwmjones> $ git push
<rwmjones> No refs in common and none specified; doing nothing.
<rwmjones> Perhaps you should specify a branch such as 'master'.
<rwmjones> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
<rwmjones> error: failed to push some refs to 'git+ssh://rwmj@git.ocamlcore.org/gitroot/ocaml-autoconf/ocaml-autoconf.git'
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<_zack> rwmjones: give me the output of "git remote show origin"
<rwmjones> _zack, don't worry, I've worked it out now, just about to check in the original macros
<_zack> ah, but I do see something in the repo now
<_zack> indeed
<rwmjones> should be just an empty README file
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<sgnb> rwmjones: git push --all doesn't word?
<sgnb> (but you have to have at least one commit, there is no way to push an empty repos)
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<mehdid> I found this blog post which explains how git push/pull works: http://gitready.com/2009/01/21/pushing-and-pulling.html
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<rwmjones> _zack, ping
<rwmjones> _zack, I'd like to make some slightly fundamental changes: AC_PROG_OCAML shouldn't fail if the compiler isn't found. Also I'd like AC_PROG_OCAML to detect my cross-compiler correctly.
<rwmjones> The second is a simple change, but the first would impact lots of scripts.
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<_zack> rwmjones: it seems to me that your change is coherent with other AC_PROG_* macros, do you confirm that?
<rwmjones> yup
<_zack> if so, please go ahead, it would be more natural
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<gildor> Camarade_Tux: the "bug" was in the feature list, this is the reason why i don't have spotted it
<gildor> this is _zack who is taking care of git.ocamlcore.org
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<hcarty> det: It's a hack, but under godi I install a dummy META file with "ocamlfind install zip META", and the META file simply requires camlzip
<hcarty> That way I can always use "zip" with findlib, at least across Debian, Fedora and godi
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<rwmjones> _zack, ping
<_zack> pong
<rwmjones> _zack, hey ... had a look at the latest ocaml-autoconf? I don't think there's a lot more we can do until we get the upstream license resolved
<_zack> nope, I just came back and I've noticed your commit, will have a look
<_zack> regarding licensing, I've mailed you saying that I'll mail individually the guys
<_zack> but we can wait a couple of days
<_zack> (then I'll also need to compare the version you committed with my changes to andrieu's code)
<rwmjones> _zack, you're happy with the license I chose?
<_zack> yup, makes sense
<rwmjones> I've overhauled the code a great deal, so I doubt any patches will apply
<_zack> more than patches, I'd just want to compare features
<rwmjones> ok ... also worth reading the man page, which is where the canonical documentation exists
<_zack> the POD file right? nice
<rwmjones> yup
<rwmjones> do 'make' & it'll give you a man page
<gildor> _zack: I have assigned you a feature request for creating 3 new git repo
<_zack> gildor: seen that, will do tonight
<_zack> but I'll let the users do the migrations, we can't decide how to do that for them
<gildor> _zack: ok great, thanks
* gildor go back to prepare slides for OCaml Meeting
<_zack> gildor: indeed, I was just going to ask :-)
<gildor> _zack: I think i will send you next week
<gildor> is this ok ?
<_zack> yup
* _zack also needs to register yet
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<gildor> we are something like 30 people going at this year meeting for now
<gildor> (50 last year)
<gildor> I hope that we will be at least 40
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<fremo> ls
<fremo> oups
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<psnively> In GODI, if I have installed with section=3.11, is there an easy way to downgrade to 3.10.2?
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<Camarade_Tux> gildor, ok, thanks (and thanks zack too)
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<tar_> installing godi-postgresql on OS X, I see it run "ocamlc ... -DPG_OCAML_MAJOR_VERSION= -DPG_OCAML_MINOR_VERSION= ..." (why wouldn't those two variables get values?)
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<tar_> oh, hm, maybe pg_config needs to be in my path
<tar_> yeah...
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<Yoric[DT]> malc_: :)
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<tar_> Does anyone use "relational" from eigenclass? I'd like to know if I'm alone in not being able to build example1.ml
<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: Do you know if there has been any progress with getting Batteries to compile with OCaml 3.11?
<Yoric[DT]> I believe there are still problems with dependencies.
<Yoric[DT]> I haven't checked, though.
<hcarty> Ok, thanks. Just curious.
<Yoric[DT]> You should ask thelema, though, he's the one who's eager to use 3.11 :)
* Camarade_Tux bursts in tears ='(
<psnively> Do you not like 3.11?
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<hcarty> Yoric[DT]: I'll keep an eye out :-)
<Camarade_Tux> tar_, you might try pinging mfp (although it's late in Europe)
<hcarty> I wouldn't be in such a rush to switch to 3.11 if the camlp4 support in 3.10.x didn't have so many problem with the toplevel
* Camarade_Tux wonders if mfp actually lives in Europe
<Yoric[DT]> psnively: I just haven't switched yet.
<psnively> Yeah
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<jonafan> man, optimizing python code is the pits
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