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<gaze__> what's the preferred way to do parsers in ocaml?
<gaze__> looks like the dude behind haxe wrote his own parser and used ocamllex to do the lexing...
<ehird> ocamlyacc?
<mfp> also menhir (LR(1)), and dypgen (GLR)
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<Alpounet> Hi
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<Yoric[DT]> hi
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<minus273> ls
<minus273> uh-oh
<ski__> bin etc lib minus273_info.text src
<Yoric[DT]> :)
<minus273> cat minus<TAB>
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<ski__> cat: minus273_info.text: Permission denied
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<Alpounet> Hi all.
<Alpounet> I would like to, given a .ml file, "simulate" its content's behavior in the toplevel, i.e getting types of expressions, etc... Is there a way to do that ?
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<totom> ocamlc -i ?
<totom> for the types
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<Yoric[DT]> Other possibility: use option -annot and parse the resulting .annot file.
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<Alpounet> Ok, I'll go this way.
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* ski__ idly wonders whether there's an option `-cannot'
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<flux> pgocaml is a bliss especially if you revise your database, say, rename a column :)
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<flux> I imagine batteries will let me write this in a nicer way :-) : let generate_salt n = let alphabet = "abcdefghijlkmnopqrstuvwxyzABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ0123456789" in String.concat "" (Array.to_list (Array.init n (fun _ -> String.make 1 alphabet.[Random.int (String.length alphabet)])))
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<Yoric[DT]> flux: I'm not even sure I understand what this means.
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<flux> yoric[dt], generate an n-character string of random characters from the alphabet (plus digits)
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<jeromeg> hey guys
<jeromeg> I have a stupid problem
<jeromeg> I use emacs tuareg mode to program in ocaml
<jeromeg> but when results are too long
<jeromeg> it truncates the displayed result and prints ... at the end
<jeromeg> how could I access "visually" to the rest of the result ?
<Yoric[DT]> You can extend the display length.
<Yoric[DT]> #print_length n;;
<jeromeg> oh cool
<Yoric[DT]> (where n is the number of nodes to print)
<Yoric[DT]> There's no way to make it unlimited, as OCaml can have infinite data (i.e. cycles).
<mrvn> That is a ocaml runtime thing, right?
<mrvn> Yoric[DT]: well, unlimited would just take a while :)
<Yoric[DT]> :)
<Yoric[DT]> mrvn: it's a toplevel directive, yes.
<jeromeg> Yoric[DT]: that did the trick, thank you very much
<Yoric[DT]> my pleasure
<mfp> uh
<mfp> # 'a' ~~ 'z';;
<mfp> # Error: This expression is not a function, it cannot be applied
<Yoric[DT]> Yeah, ~~ was a poor choice.
<Yoric[DT]> In the latest git, it has become --~
<mfp> so it cannot be used at all?
<mfp> ah
<mfp> alright, ~~ is a prefix op
<mfp> ~~ 'a' 'z';; - : char t = <abstr>
<mfp> like unary (~-)
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<mfp> flux: let (@@) = Enum.append let gen = let a = Array.of_enum ('a' --~ 'z' @@ 'A' --~ 'Z' @@ '0' --~ '9') in let l = Array.length a in fun n -> String.init n (fun _ -> a.(Random.int l));;
<mfp> shouldn't String.init be : (int -> char) -> int -> string instead of int -> (int -> char) -> string ?
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<flux> String.init helps a lot, yes
<flux> Array.init has int -> (int -> char) -> string
<mfp> OTOH Array.init also follows that convention
<flux> it sort of makes sense
<mfp> well, I cannot imagine any use for partial application to get reusable functions that create arbitrary arrays with N (fixed) elements
<ski__> one argument for the current ordering might be that the function argument are more often large, textually, than the `int' argument
<ski__> String.init (2*n) (fun i ->
<ski__> ..i..
<ski__> ...)
<mfp> true, I often leave the func as the last param for that reason
<ski__> the `(2*n)' would feel lonely after a big anonymous
<mfp> (in my own HOFs)
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<ski__> (argument for the other ordering is that (a) `(int -> char) -> (int -> string)' feels like a "nicer" type, and (b), there's possibly more uses with partially applying the function argument than the length argument)
<mfp> where was the Labels version again...
<mfp> StringLabels (legacy) -> doesn't have init
<mfp> ArrayLabels.init is : int -> f:(int -> 'a) -> 'a array
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<mrvn> A vector/matrix library might create many arrays of a fixed size in a function.
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<Camarade_Tux> Yoric[DT], something about lzma bindings : trying to make something clean and redistribuable in practice has shown almost nobody has a lib supporting lzma compression already installed, mostly because no project provides such a lib
<Yoric[DT]> :/
<mrvn> you could just fork the binary.
<Camarade_Tux> the closest team is tukaani's but they don't have any stable release yet
<Camarade_Tux> mrvn, 7-zip and therefore p7zip is underdocumented for developpers anyway
<Camarade_Tux> plus it's using c++ so it's not very friendly to bind
<Camarade_Tux> (I mean it's really using c++, not just a simple superset of C)
<mrvn> we need a external++ foo : Foo # int -> unit = "value foo(int)"
<mrvn> or "value Foo::foo(int)"
<mrvn> Has anyone written QT bindings? How do you represent a class hierachy?
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<mfp> maybe MS & Intel have no interest in stuff being released under a 3-clause BSD? :-P
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<thelema> mfp: microsoft is already a member of caml consortium - they have pretty much full rights to code.
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<mfp> thelema: the consortium doesn't fund new development the way IHG will do
<mfp> thelema: so my Q was... why not?
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<kaustuv_> mfp: I work at a lab that is a joint effort of INRIA and MS Research.
<thelema> the money for the consortium goes somewhere
<kaustuv_> There is always a constant startup buzz around ocaml these days anyhow
<flux> thelema, iirc the amount of consortium was not said to be all that much, from the how-much-work-can-it-perform point of view
<kaustuv_> But yes, ocaml's license is a potential nightmare, even though most people should be able to just pretend it's LGPL. But lawyers like to spread paranoia.
<Camarade_Tux> and the caml consortium membership fee is between 2k€ and 10k€ per year, the haskell consortium asks for something like 10k$ (6k£) for 6 months
<ehird> 19:57 kaustuv_: There is always a constant startup buzz around ocaml these days anyhow
<ehird> I don't hear much buzz...
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<kaustuv_> Well, it's possible that I am just covered in bees.
<flux> in general, the amount of buzz perceived may depend on how a person is positioned to hear such buzz?-)
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<ehird> flux: yeah, exact;y
<ehird> *exactly
<ehird> every clique thinks it's the most popular :)
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<flux> you know, that covers both ends?-)
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<kaustuv_> How to I use a library such as str in myocamlbuild.ml?
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<flux> good question. I've just snabbed off the myocamlbuild.ml that handles findlib and use that for everything.
<flux> I possibly got mine from the wiki, but I put a copy here: http://www.modeemi.cs.tut.fi/~flux/software/ocaml/myocamlbuild.ml
<flux> and my _tags file says <*>: pkg_foo, pkg_bar etc
<flux> (pkg_str)
<kaustuv_> Sorry, perhaps I wasn't clear. I want to tell ocamlbuild to use str.cm(x)a to compile myocamlbuild.ml itself.
<flux> ooh.. well, no idea :)
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<aplusbi> hello
<thelema> aplusbi: hi
<aplusbi> quick question for you guys, if you don't mind
<aplusbi> Printf.printf is causing compilation errors for me
<aplusbi> although the exact same code works in the REPL
<aplusbi> it's telling me that the expression has type string but is here used with type ('a -> 'b, out_channel, unit) format
<aplusbi> for something as simple as Printf.printf "\n";;
<aplusbi> this is on windows, by the way, with ocaml 3.10
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<Alpounet> aplusbi, what is the exact code line that causes compilation errors ?
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<aplusbi> I just made a test file that contained one line: Printf.printf "\n";;
<aplusbi> and it fails on line 1, characters 14-18
<aplusbi> it seems to me to be a problem with strings versus the format type
<brendan> How does Printf.printf "%s" "\n";; do?
<aplusbi> but I can't for the life of me figure out why the windows ocaml compiler would think that "\n" was a string instead of a format
<aplusbi> same problem
<brendan> weird
<aplusbi> I know
<aplusbi> it works in the ocaml top level
<aplusbi> but if I run ocamlc test.ml
<aplusbi> or ocamlopt test.ml
<aplusbi> it fails to compile
<aplusbi> I've tried specifying the type ("%d\n" " ('a,
<aplusbi> I've tried specifying the type ("%d\n" : ('a,'b,'c) format)
<brendan> I don't have that problem on linux
<aplusbi> yeah me neither
<aplusbi> I'm just trying to set up ocaml on this windows machine
<ehird> "aplusbi: but I can't for the life of me figure out why the windows ocaml compiler would think that "\n" was a string instead of a format"
<ehird> i think that's not an unthinkable mistake :-)
<aplusbi> I suppose not, but you'd think the type inference system would tell that the value passed to printf would be a format, not a string
<ehird> Well, printf is a hack...
<kaustuv_> what do you get with:
<kaustuv_> let foo = format_of_string "\n" ;;
<aplusbi> same thing, only the error occurs on the string (the argument to format... instead of hte printf)
<aplusbi> File "main.ml", line 6, characters 47-53:
<aplusbi> This expression has type string but is here used with type
<aplusbi> ('a, 'b, 'c) format = ('a, 'b, 'c, 'c, 'c, 'c) format6
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<aplusbi> is there anything I could use instead of Printf.printf to output to stdout?
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<flux> print_string?
<thelema> aplusbi: yes - print_int, print_string, etc.
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<aplusbi> well at least those functions work
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<kaustuv_> Bookdrama unfolding in a major way on the list.
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<thelema> yup. It'll be interesting to see how it turns out - if the book gets retracted.
<thelema> or if the authors can work something out.
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<aplusbi> you know while I'm here I may ask this as well
<aplusbi> I initially installed ocaml 3.11 on windows
<aplusbi> but nothing would compile because pervasives.cmi was not a compiled interface
<aplusbi> 3.10 works fine so I went with that
<aplusbi> is that a known issue?
<Yoric[DT]> That sounds like you're attempting to compile 3.11 code using 3.10 libraries (or the opposite).
<kaustuv_> or a mingwized library with a cygwinized compiler or any of the dozen other combinations possible in the mess that is ocaml on windows
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<kaustuv_> just today I discovered that a strange value of OCAMLLIB in the registry (from earlier installs of ocaml, not cleaned up by uninstallers) during *compilation* of ocaml results in permanent brain damage to ocamlbuild
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<aplusbi> ah, probably a mess of cygwin and mingw
<aplusbi> I have both installed on this computer
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<psnively> Hi guys!
<thelema> hi.
<psnively> :-)
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<sanguinev> Hello
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