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<Cued4> anyone up that could test something for me?
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<Leonidas> thelema: something like http://docs.python.org/library/itertools.html#itertools.groupby
<Leonidas> thelema: it "sorts" an iterable (in the ocaml case a list) to group elements that are "equal" according to some predicate together.
<Leonidas> I guess I do List.sort and create my own predicate.
* Leonidas needs to sort a (string * int) tuple ascending in the string field and descending in the int field
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<Leonidas> ok, I can just use List.sort instead of grupby, works well enough.
<mrvn> After sorting you can easily enough change the list into a list of list according to their group.
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<Leonidas> mrvn: yep. What I actually do, is to recurse and merge elements if they are in the same group
<thelema_> Leonidas: batteries has List.group
<thelema_> this just makes a list of lists, but it'd probably be straightforward to map each sublist to a value, no?
<thelema_> Enum.clump does something similar, but in a very imperative way.
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<mfp> thelema_: just realized you've merged renaming into aaa, pushed syntax ext & test fixes
<mfp> this concludes the Big Renaming, I think
<Alpounet> thelema_, are we going toward an aaa release candidate ? :)
<mfp> I've remembered why asking users to modify .ocamlinit is no good: can't update automatically
<mfp> so ocamlfind aaa/ocaml (full) Batteries' style = the way to go, probably
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<mfp> another alternative would be hardcoding the absolute path in .ocamlinit -> #use "/usr/local/lib/ocaml/3.11.1/aaa/aaa.ml";;
<mfp> gives auto-updates when we change aaa.ml
<mfp> and ocamlfind aaa/ocaml would just run ocaml -init /usr/local/lib/ocaml/3.11.1/aaa/aaa.ml
<orbitz> Ahhh OPA on reddit!
<flx_> opa?
<flx_> ah, right
<flx_> not, are there any more recent updates?
<Camarade_Tux> should be "released" within two weeks I think ;p
<Camarade_Tux> s/ ;p//
<flx_> happy christmas?
<Camarade_Tux> that smiley was actually intended to someone I was talking to, IRL...
<Camarade_Tux> flx_: he, maybe :P
<orbitz> Camarade_Tux: hahah
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<thelema_> mfp: Is automatic updates that big a deal?
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<thelema> mfp: and the hardcoding of paths will break when a new ocaml compiler comes out - 3.12 will have a different lib path
<mfp> AAA releases should be more frequent than OCaml's
<Alpounet> mfp, thelema, what about using in .ocamlinit the following path : `ocamlc -where`/aaa/aaa.ml ?
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<thelema> I dunno if this is doable within .ocamlinit
<mfp> Alpounet: that'd be /usr/lib/ocaml which shouldn't be installed into
<thelema> mfp: there's a correct command using ocamlfind, but is this doable within ocaml, and not the shell?
<Alpounet> mfp, well, isn't .ocamlinit a shell file ?
<mfp> hmm yes
<mfp> using findlib
<mfp> Alpounet: nope, it's interpreted by ocaml
<Alpounet> hmm
<thelema> it's a bunch of commands for the toplevel interpreter
<Alpounet> and using Unix or Sys can't we just run that ocamlfind command?
<Alpounet> or via findlib functions ?
<thelema> mfp: you're thinking about people who install via deb or rpm?
<thelema> because people who install themselves will read the README and setup ocamlinit themselves
<thelema> and can be reminded to update their ocamlinit on upgrade
<thelema> anyway, gotta go.
<mfp> ok what about this
<Alpounet> val package_directory : string -> string
<mfp> Filename.concat (Findlib.package_directory "aaa") "aaa.ml";;
<mfp> but huh
<mfp> cannot use it with the #use directive
<mfp> would need to find some function in Toploop(?) to eval a file
<mfp> this one looks good > value use_file : Format.formatter -> string -> bool
<mfp> better yet use_silently
<mfp> so Toploop.use_silently Format.err_formatter (Filename.concat (Findlib.package_directory "aaa") "aaa.ml");;
<mfp> doesn't break on OCaml upgrade, doesn't break on AAA update, allows automatic updates
<mfp> I think we have a keeper
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<Alpounet> mfp, agreed
<Alpounet> I used use_silently at the time I was working on mlbot
<Alpounet> works fine :-)
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<thelema> mfp: I like that. I'll revise the install
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<Leonidas> thelema: hmm, batteries look great.
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<Leonidas> is there a simple-to-use List in/contains function or do I have to build it myself?
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<Leonidas> nevermind, I didn't need it after all.
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<Alpounet> IIRC, there is a 'member' function
<mfp> List.mem
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<mfp> and then ç
<mfp> oops
<mfp> let contains l1 l2 = List.for_all (fun x -> List.mem x l1) l2
<mfp> O(n^2), but you could easily make it O(n log n) in 3.12 by using Set (or some PSet implementation with any other OCaml version)
<Leonidas> 3.12 will have sets? Nice.
<Leonidas> But it turned out that the list I was checking against was already ordered, so I only had to compare it to the head, which is O(1).
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<flx_> leonidas, ocaml has had sets for a long time, but 3.12 brings a nice polymorphic capability to those functor-based modules
* Leonidas needs to look up functors.
<Leonidas> We had them in our lecture, but I was busy.
<Alpounet> functors are an excellent and useful feature :)
<Leonidas> I'm pretty sure they are. I have found many ocaml-features that are really fun to use.
<mfp> Leonidas: OCaml 3.12 allows to name generic types explicitly, so you can instantiate the Set functor locally for a generic type t
<mfp> let contains (type a) l1 l2 = let module S = Set.Make(struct type t = a let compare = compare end) in let s = List.fold_left (fun s x -> S.add x s) S.empty l1 in List.for_all (fun x -> S.mem x s) l2;;
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<Leonidas> mfp: is there some user-readable changelog for ocaml 3.12?
<Leonidas> something like 'What's new in Python x.y'?
<mfp> Leonidas: see Changes in the source tree
<mfp> the "Changes" file, if that wasn't clear
<Camarade_Tux> communication is really something the ocaml team does poorly imho
<mfp> it takes time
<Leonidas> it was clear. Is it this file: http://camlcvs.inria.fr/cgi-bin/cvsweb/ocaml/Changes ?
<Leonidas> cvs looks a bit ancient these days :)
<Camarade_Tux> Leonidas: yeah, they switched to SVN :D
<mfp> gtg
<Leonidas> mfp: thanks and bye!
<Leonidas> Camarade_Tux: they could at least not link to it here: http://caml.inria.fr/resources/index.en.html ;)
<Camarade_Tux> right...
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<Leonidas> let open M in e is nice :)
<Leonidas> oh, 3.11 can also create shared libraries directly. Nice. This is something that GHC couldn't, at least some time ago.
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