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<spartango_> hi, i'm trying to figure out how to fix a "Error: This kind of expression is not allowed as right-hand side of `let rec'" issue...
<spartango_> and finding that error message rather opaque
<spartango_> i've got a let rec A... and B... setup where functions defined in the B part reference the A part
<spartango_> ideas on things to try?
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<thelema> drat, just saw spartago's message
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<Kakadu> adrien: Core is thinking about you.
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<adrien> Kakadu: ^ ^
<adrien> Kakadu: also, do you know lablgtk?
<Kakadu> adrien: I've never used it.
<adrien> your bindings follow the Qt API very closely?
<Kakadu> adrien: I think so.
<adrien> ah, saved: the configure error I get with Core also happens outside of godi =)
<adrien> Kakadu: which OS are you running?
<Kakadu> adrien: GNU/Linux
<adrien> which distro? :P
<Kakadu> cebian testing
<Kakadu> debian*
<adrien> does this command succeed for you: mktemp ./discover_src.XXXXXX.c
<adrien> ?
<Kakadu> yep
<adrien> gah
<adrien> which package provides "mktemp"?
<adrien> so, coreutils or mktemp?
<adrien> mktemp -V
<adrien> I get: mktemp version debianutils-2.7
<Kakadu> mktemp (GNU coreutils) 8.5
<adrien> ok...
<adrien> so
<adrien> slackware has debian's
<adrien> debian has gnu's
<Kakadu> )
<adrien> do you have "mktemp-gnu" on your system?
<Kakadu> a package ?
<adrien> no, /usr/bin/mktemp-gnu
<adrien> or in /bin actually
<Kakadu> only /bin/mktemp
<adrien> hmm
<adrien> ok, thanks
<zorun> bobry: hi
<zorun> bobry: your package ocaml-sexplib [1] makes use of the OCAMLFIND_LDCONF=ignore thing we discussed last time ;)
<adrien> Kakadu: from slackware's build script for coreutils: # We have had the mktemp from debianutils included with Slackware for quite a long time, and certain options are changed here, like changing -u to mean a
<adrien> dry-run rather than to unlink the tempfile when finished. Since this could break existing scripts, [...]
<adrien> gah
<Kakadu> :-)
<adrien> breakfast time (yes, it's going to be 1pm soon)
<bobry> zorun: thanks, i'll update it in a minute
<zorun> bobry: awesome!
<bobry> in fact, it doesn't even use ld.conf :)
<zorun> oh, yeah, sorry :)
<zorun> I didn't notice that
<bobry> updated anyway :)
<zorun> thanks ;)
<zorun> you've got a whole load of OCaml packages in the AUR, I sse
<bobry> hah, yeah :) adopted some of the unsupported packages
<zorun> I wonder how you find time to keep all of them up-to-date :)
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<adrien> yah, need a newer sexplib too
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<adrien> jane street is seriously killing me
<Kakadu> adrien: what about sexplib?
<adrien> needs a new sexplib
<adrien> this new sexplib depends on a new type-conv
<adrien> 3.0.4
<adrien> godi has 3.0.0
<adrien> http://ocaml.janestreet.com/?q=node/13 has 2.3.0 although it was released one month ag
<adrien> o
<Kakadu> Y have 3.0.3 type-conv
<Kakadu> I*
<adrien> thanks
<adrien> so they just don't show their files on their forge page I guess
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<adrien> bin-prot is not compatible with new type-conv
<adrien> my bin-prot
<Kakadu> version?
<adrien> I have 1.x.y
<adrien> so I'm going to get 2.0.3
<adrien> type-conv doesn't provide a pa_type_conv.cmo anymore
<Kakadu> I have bin_prot 2.0.5
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<adrien> it might be sorted now
<adrien> I have no idea where 2.0.5 is from but at least, right now, it builds
<adrien> thelema: about the time it took to build batteries on the win2k jenkins slave: ocamldoc is really horribly slow and I remember when it took 10 minutes to build batteries' doc on
<adrien> my laptop
<adrien> might well be one of the biggest culprits
<adrien> fieldslib
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<Kakadu> 107.01 from js's site
<adrien> yup
<adrien> I should symlink ocamldoc to ocamldoc.opt
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<Kakadu> adrien: any news?
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<adrien> noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
<Kakadu> ((((((((((((
<adrien> after running ocamldoc and the testsuite, the package building failed because it couldn't copy the "README" file
<Kakadu> permissions?
<adrien> ENOENT
<adrien> it's hard-coded in godi's script
<adrien> and it's really the last step
<adrien> so, going to change it and run it again
<adrien> it's going to take another 20 to 30 minutes
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<thelema> adrien: I think jenkins just runs make test, which doesn't build docs.
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<adrien> Kakadu: core_extended left.........
<adrien> it takes a horribly long time to compile
<thelema> and batteries has a bad wrap for being heavyweight
<adrien> I think I'm nearing 6 minutes for core_extended
<adrien> I should learn juggling; would be perfect during slow compilations
<adrien> Kakadu: in xml/, Error: Could not find the .cmi file for interface parser.mli.
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<adrien> Kakadu: ran it again and I have it now
<adrien> Kakadu: ah, many things types aren't bound yet as far as I can see
<Kakadu> make depend?
<adrien> ./build.ml
<Kakadu> it is strange
<adrien> I wonder if I had some leftover from the previous failed compilations
<adrien> ah, the nice compile times of C++
<adrien> I really need to start juggling
<Kakadu> mmm
<Kakadu> something strange
<Kakadu> bobry have builded lablqt with build.ml
<Kakadu> try cd xml; make depend; make
<adrien> oh, it works now
<adrien> it's compiling the C++ stuff
<Kakadu> it is long, I think
<adrien> 6 minutes so far
<adrien> there's no way you can compile some of the stuff as C instead of C++?
<Kakadu> why?
<adrien> 12 minutes
<adrien> still compiling
<adrien> I *HATE* C++ for that
<adrien> even the smallest compiles make me want to die
<Kakadu> use make -j4 )
<adrien> I mean: even when there is *one* simple file
<adrien> dual-core laptop
<Kakadu> or use PHP)
<adrien> it's not terribly fast but it's ok and it's really slow
<adrien> if I were building on my quad-core, it would go roughly 6 times faster
<adrien> and your build.ml doesn't make it very easy to change stuff like that
<Kakadu> I have no idea how to write more advanced build-system
<adrien> I haven't really looked at build.ml: do you put settings in a separate location?
<Kakadu> what settings?
<adrien> like "make -jX"
<Kakadu> them are in build.ml
<adrien> put that at the top of the file then
<Kakadu> OK
<adrien> so it can be easily seen and modified
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<adrien> also, I think you should compute the vlaue of "`ocamlc -where`" once and for all
<adrien> because right now, it is used for each file
<adrien> s/used/computed/
<adrien> it's taking longer to build than llvm
<adrien> Kakadu: QTapAndHoldGesture.cpp:22:12: error: ‘class QTapAndHoldGesture’ has no member named ‘setTimeout’
<adrien> I really hope it won't have to start again from the beginning...
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<Kakadu> fuck
<Kakadu> why I dont have this error?
<adrien> lablqt shouldn't try to compile more than what is on the system, right?
<adrien> where is the list of class/members from?
<Kakadu> Now it compiles almost everything that exists in xml file
<adrien> where is that xml file from?
<Kakadu> aaa.xml
<Kakadu> in root directory
<adrien> but where is the data from?
<Kakadu> qtjambi's generator
<adrien> so it's built on _your_ computer?
<Kakadu> yes
<adrien> ah
<Kakadu> and on computer of bobry
<adrien> I have qt 4.7.0 and I'm not changing version
<zorun> adrien: which distro?
<adrien> 4.7.0_7abde40 to be exact
<adrien> slackware
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<adrien> but you need to make it possible for anyone to generate the library description
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<Kakadu> ugly internet((
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<zorun> Kakadu, http://respectmynet.eu :)
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<Kakadu> zorun: nice
<Kakadu> zorun: maybe it works in EU but not in russia
<Kakadu> at it will not be possible nerest 10 years
<Kakadu> president talks about OpenSource national Operation System and ALTLinux
<Kakadu> but he don't want to register Pirate Party for (I forget this word)
<ousado> Kakadu: where are you from?
<Kakadu> Saint-Petersburg
<ousado> Wow
<Kakadu> Russian, not American)
<ousado> and network-infrastructure is bad there?
<Kakadu> sometimes
<ousado> hehe I figured that much :)
<Kakadu> The best infrastructure is no big sities like Moscow, SPb and maybe Novosibirsk
<ousado> *is in, right?
<Kakadu> ousado: yes)
<Kakadu> btw
<Kakadu> can you understand such term as `Cyclic autoroad around the city` (it is word by word transltion from Russian) ?
<ousado> yes
<Kakadu> So
<Kakadu> as some person said in #linux
<zorun> Kakadu: yeah, I didn't know you were from russia. But attempts at squeezing net neutrality should be noticed and exposed, no matter the country
<Kakadu> `You have never been outside Moscow's cyclic autoroad`
<ousado> in which context?
<zorun> I don't understand either
<Kakadu> I context like: --- I live in Moscow and I think that Russian internet connections are pretty good
<ousado> as in "never experienced dysfunctional network-infrasructure"?
<Kakadu> --- I have never been outside of MKAD
<Kakadu> You*
<ousado> yes, I understand
<zorun> :)
<ousado> but in the beginnings everyone was :)
<Kakadu> no I don't undestand((
<Kakadu> now*
<ousado> I thought the "outside Moscow's cyclic autoroad" is a metaphor for bad infrastructure
<Kakadu> nice))))
<ousado> so never been outside there is "never experienced bad infrastructure"
<ousado> and then my answer was that everyone who witnessed how the internet came up has plenty of experience with that :)
<ousado> fortunately those days are gone for me, now
<ousado> but germany is a good place to live in that regard
<Kakadu> I believe
<zorun> ousado: you should thank the bunch of german hackers for that :)
<zorun> Chaos Computer Club and the like
<ousado> zorun: I think it's more due to fiberglass cables all over the place ;)
<ousado> but CCC is pretty important, yes
<ousado> but more politically than WRT infrastructure
<zorun> yeah, obviously
<Kakadu> guys, I have funny question
<zorun> but the quality of a network comes as much from technical involvment as from good policies
<zorun> no censorship, no filtering...
<Kakadu> Do u have ever heared that in Germany some excavator have destroyed fiberglass and many have lost their internet connections?
<ousado> sure
<Kakadu> Have u ever heared*****
<zorun> Kakadu: we had the same in Paris :)
<ousado> happens often enough
<zorun> an old woman cut access to a huge part of France...
<Kakadu> zorun: Is it possible in EU?????????
<ousado> sure
<Kakadu> fantastic
<zorun> because our network is too much centralized
<Kakadu> maybe Russia is not barbarian country))
<zorun> hé hé :)
<ousado> Kakadu: well, I wouldn't say that, but I wouldn't say that about most countries in the EU, too
<ousado> germany is barbaric, so much I can say
<ousado> .. or barbarian
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<zorun> Kakadu: did you know that you can easily figure out if someone is russian on IRC? :)
<Kakadu> zorun: I know 2 russian-speaking members
<zorun> bobry, at least
<Kakadu> and f[x]
<zorun> oh
<zorun> Kakadu: you just have to look at someone's smileys :)
<zorun> if it doesn't have eyes, it's a russian smiley...
<Kakadu> so )))))))is russian
<zorun> exactly :D
<Kakadu> but :-) usually is non-russian
<Kakadu> ?
<zorun> yep
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<ousado> Kakadu: do you know this guy http://ioremap.net/ ?
<Kakadu> ousado: if zbr == zbroyar then "maybe" else "no";;
<ousado> he's a occasional linux kernal hacker and does very nice stuff in general
<ousado> err kernel
<adrien> s/==/=/
<adrien> he could have been copied :P
<Kakadu> maybe, But I've thought a little before writing `==`
<Kakadu> ousado: I can ask zbroyar if is this site his.
<ousado> his name is evgeniy polykaov
<ousado> *polyakov
<ousado> dang, I'm typing like drunk
<zorun> Evgeniy Polyakov
<zorun> err, too late :)
<ousado> I'm pretty sure if he has a nick, it's zbr
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<adrien> just learned that gnome canvas has been deprecated for a while (and in particular in gtk3)
<adrien> NaCl: ^ ^
<ousado> adrien: which C++ library (I assume) did you compile there?
<adrien> ousado: Kakadu's bindings to Qt
<zorun> which is?
<ousado> oh
<zorun> lablqt?
<ousado> Kakadu: it's one file?
<adrien> yes
<ousado> or adrien?
<adrien> way more than one file
<Kakadu> ousado: what?
<adrien> Kakadu: or what you could do is provide a full aaa.xml file and remove the unavailable methods and classes at configure-time
<ousado> because adrien said "even when there is *one* simple file" above
<ousado> but I misread
<adrien> ah, no
<ousado> it wasnt about that
<adrien> I had to do C++ recently, and even when there was only one file to recompile, it was painful
<ousado> Kakadu: are you using libclang for generating bindings?
<ousado> Kakadu: because if you are not, I'd seriously look into that
<Kakadu> ousado: no, I use qtjambi's generator only
<adrien> ousado: I doubt any generic solution can exist
<Kakadu> adrien: now I'm writing little tool to filter big xml by class names,
<adrien> ok =)
<ousado> well, a thing that gives you a C++ AST is a good start for every binding-generator
<ousado> and libclang does that
<ousado> having a libclang-interface for ocaml would be wonderful
<adrien> I already have that
<adrien> ousado: what does it do about the comments?
<ousado> it's a full featured c++ parser/compiler
<adrien> if it strips them out or require preprocessing of the input files first, then it's useless
<ousado> (clang) llvm project
<adrien> not C++: cpp
<adrien> c preprocessor
<adrien> and it must not strip them
<ousado> it does both
<adrien> but does it provide the comments in the AST it returns?
<ousado> I dunno
<adrien> also, there are some things that won't hold
<adrien> when you have macros, they have a *meaning*
<adrien> it's very importantn
<adrien> I've been using yacfe to parse C, and C++ to some extent
<adrien> keeps everything and I consider it to be the best solution so far
<Kakadu> ousado: I have thought about clang (I have compiled llvm) but I have some problems with undestanding that amazing C++
<adrien> krkrkr
<Kakadu> Documentation genrated by ocsigen is a horror for me
<adrien> doxygen?
<Kakadu> adrien: =)
<Kakadu> yes
<adrien> but they can have annotations in comments and that's useful
<Kakadu> And than a person who developed qt bindings to D language recommended me qtjambi's generator
<adrien> and readable too :P
<Kakadu> adrien: maybe I'm not very skillful in C++
<adrien> Kakadu: but is qtjambi future-proof?
<edwin> adrien: I think clang can keep the comments in the AST, not sure about the macros
<adrien> Kakadu: binding a whole library is pretty hard: it requires intimate, detailled and low-level knowledge of it
<adrien> edwin: ok; cpp can also keep the comments so that wouldn't be an issue I guess; but I'm definitely using the macros myself (for instance, in lablwebkit)
<Kakadu> adrien: what means future-proof?
<adrien> Kakadu: are they gong to keep qtjambi forever?
<Kakadu> adrien: Does qtjambi will be maintained in future? I think not
<adrien> "Official support for Qt Jambi by Nokia ended in March 2010, and the project is now maintained by an open source community"
<NaCl> adrien: there's a C++ canvas that is recommended
<adrien> NaCl: which one?
<adrien> because...
<adrien> 17:48 gass : Company, what canvas library is supported?
<adrien> 17:49 Company : gass: none, unless you count clutter
<NaCl> adrien: never mind, it's C
<Kakadu> fail. tyxml library has Simplexmlparser module but it is difficult to find something like Simplexmlwriter
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<adrien> NaCl: seems like noone has anything to say against it on #gtk+
<adrien> seems to be maintained
<adrien> I guess they don't have to develop it too actively which is nice too
<NaCl> yeah, except to use it in ocaml, it needs to be bound to ocaml
<adrien> that's easy
<adrien> it has a limited API, it's probably quite easy to do it
* NaCl does not know how
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<adrien> cowboy/glib!
<NaCl> wut?
<adrien> ='(
<NaCl> I was asking what they were. xD
<adrien> it's the tools I developped for lablwebkit in the first place
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<ousado> was afk.. sorry. adrien: you have a libclang binding for ocaml???
<adrien> nope
<ousado> oh
<adrien> yacfe is an ocaml library that can read C source *before* preprocessing and return an AST
<Kakadu> ousado: I remember a library to connect llvm and OCaml (author is f# evangelist now)
<adrien> it asserts that macros look like C, and they do
<ousado> lag-induced miscommunication :(
<Kakadu> adrien: also pfff is something like yacfe
<ousado> cool
<ousado> I will write a libclang binding
<adrien> for instance, "f(G_FOO_BAR(widget), 42, 1337);" can be understood as C even though "G_FOO_BAR" is a macro
<adrien> it also carries *much* more information because it shows the intent
<adrien> Kakadu: same author ;-)
<ousado> I will have to look into that
<ousado> #ocaml is a valuable resource
<Kakadu> ousado: as language is
<ousado> also people are nice, must be the language :)
<ousado> less frustration than in, say ##java
<ousado> Kakadu: yes, totally
<Kakadu> ousado: I remember when I maked an attempt to ask a question in #asp.net
<ousado> Kakadu: and so many spacool projects
<ousado> err super cool
<ousado> hehe
<Kakadu> ousado: Everybody dont write anything and everybode ignore my message
<ousado> ah I see
<Kakadu> btw
<ousado> that doesn't mean that they're not nice necessarily, though
<ousado> some channels are just not as vibrant
<Kakadu> I have uncovered yesterday why OCaml is rather cool that F#: it doesn't crash while compiling source files!
<zorun> :o
<adrien> :P
<zorun> F# does? ^_^'
<ousado> what language is F# compiler written in?
<Kakadu> zorun: maybe not f#, maybe mono does
<ousado> F#?
<zorun> ooh, someone mentioned pfff <3
<zorun> it's a cool project
<ousado> but hard to google
<Kakadu> ousado: search on github
<ousado> uhh facebook?
<zorun> yeah
<Kakadu> yep
<adrien> he works at facebook
<adrien> or worked, I don't know
<ousado> who, aryx?
<Associat0r> it started in Caml and is now in F#
<adrien> Yoann Padioleau/padator
<ousado> nice how ocaml/haskell etc. are used to deal with the shortcomings of other languages :)
<NaCl> adrien: uh, yeah. This whole "language bindings" thing is annoying
<Kakadu> Man, what is the simpliest way to read xml, remove some nodes and write it out?
<adrien> NaCl: what do you mean?
<adrien> Kakadu: sed xD
<NaCl> to do "X", I must bind it to "why"
<NaCl> "Y"
<adrien> nice "typo" :-)
<NaCl> I used to do twicd instead of twice
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<adrien> :-)
<Associat0r> Kakadu: F# compiler never crashed here
<Kakadu> ugly internet again
<adrien> NaCl: yeah, I agree, and I hope cowboy/glib makes it easier
<adrien> actually I could have a look at it right now
<Kakadu> (maybe I misses something)...
<adrien> nope
<adrien> Kakadu: xmlm or pxp
<adrien> maybe ocamlduce
<adrien> actually, having a look at ocamlduce first might be good
<adrien> maybe it's simply missing in tyxml
<adrien> NaCl: http://slackbuilds.org/repository/13.37/graphics/goocanvas/ <- I need to poke agentc0re so he does the annoying work of updating the slackbuild to the latest version =)
<adrien> oh, he's on IRC =)
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<adrien> hmpf, last two lines of lablgtk/applications/osiris.ml:
<adrien> method window_state = function
<adrien> Maximize ->
<adrien> and that's it
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<everyonemines> can pcre-ocaml be used with ocamllex?
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