gildor changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/ | OCaml 3.12.1 http://bit.ly/nNVIVH
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<Drakken> The compiler seems to be monomorphizing a polymorphic function arg based on the type of another function arg, but the second arg is optional and I want to pass a function with a different type for the optional arg.
<Drakken> The problem is that the type checker already locked the first function into a specific type based on the default value of the second arg.
<_habnabit> Drakken, right. that's not something that can be generalized
<_habnabit> Drakken, where's your function?
<Drakken> it's a sort function. I'm trying to allow an optional key argument that defaults identity.
<Drakken> *to* identity.
<_habnabit> yeah, you can't generalize that
<Drakken> oh drat!
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<dsheets1> Is there an easy way to determine which primitives are used by which modules?
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<drewbert> Hi, I'm trying to do some basing file parsing with yojson, but I don't get as far as the library. I'm new to ocaml. I open a file with let inc = open_in "filename" in print_string (input_line inc); but I keep getting "input_value: bad object"
<drewbert> The file exists and I have permissions to read it.
<_habnabit> wow, that's a new one on me
<_habnabit> what's your exact code, and how are you running it
<drewbert> _habnabit: I'm playing around with the CLI and things are working as expected, it must be something to do with the project at large
<drewbert> I'm so bad at this. =(
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<_habnabit> well, where's your code
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<drewbert> I got it, it's the use of input_value. I guess I need to use some other function to read the contents of the file. Instructor misled me -_-
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<adrien> drewbert: input_value is precisely what you're trying to avoid by using yojson =)
<adrien> (since it's actually the binary and type-unsafe serialization code from Marshal)
<drewbert> adrien: Good insight. Thank you.
<djcoin> Does anyone really think ocaml can make himself a relevant programming language for the web ? (server side and client side javascript generation ?)
<djcoin> Trolling is not my goal. But I'm really wondering what could beat out Node.js in fact :/
<djcoin> (+ you dont need such raw speed on server side as you will rarely do heavy computation)
<NihilistDandy> Does anyone think that programming for the web qualifies as relevant?~
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<NihilistDandy> On a less sarcastic note, it's not especially appropriate to compare a general-purpose programming language and an abstraction specifically designed for certain classes of web application and say "well, look, this one's better"
<djcoin> NihilistDandy: I totally agree. But Web is a big piece of the cake. And seeing project as ocsigen and js_of_ocaml, makes me wonder
<adrien> something like ocsigen and cduce have managed to specialize quite well for web stuff
<NihilistDandy> Ultimately the worth of a code generator comes down to how clever and adaptable it is. I'm not a long-time OCaml user (Haskell 4 lyfe), but pretty solid functional foundations and the option of OOP makes it an intriguing platform
<NihilistDandy> *make
<NihilistDandy> But really there's only so much you can generalize something like that before it's just an isomorphic DSL :D
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<otk> source @ http://codepad.org/DneGRC1l for ease
* adrien has one implementation too; need to better check for bugs (it's quite different and I add metadata on the cursor to give a O(1) length operation)
<otk> nice
<otk> ive just been reading around trees and found it via ltu
<otk> surprisingly, it copy pastes straight to F# too
<adrien> :-)
<adrien> and now, code the "find" function
<adrien> the dumb one would look left and then right
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<otk> heh
<otk> find would be fun
<otk> tricky to make efficient
<otk> (i would imagine)
<adrien> another possibility is to look one element to the left and then one to the right, one to the left, one to the right, and alternate
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<otk> ah
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<adrien> but best would be to look one element to the left, then one to the right, 2 to the left, 2 to the right, 4 to the left, 4 to the right, then 8, 16, 32, ...
<otk> or you could 'catch a scent' and follow an edge? heh
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<adrien> it "should" be better, with absolutely no numbers behind that idea =)
<otk> interesting
<adrien> (the idea is that you avoid moving to elements that are too far apart in memory/cache)
<otk> ah
<otk> small steps
<otk> it makes sense
<adrien> my current find function alternates every element
<adrien> I'm not sure I want to try coding the other behaviour :P
<otk> it would be cool to apply some learning algorithm to the search hehe
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<jave> I get errors like "Error: No implementations provided for the following modules:Bi_util referenced from /usr/lib64/ocaml/biniou/bi_io.cmx" while trying to add a dependency to an ocaml application.
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<f[x]> do you link in cmxa?
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<rwmjones> grrr camlp4
<rwmjones> how do you reserve a keyword?
<rwmjones> I mean, keywords are normally reserved by magic when you use EXTEND
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<rwmjones> but how do you reserve one explicitly if you're writing a custom parser?
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<thelema_> rwmjones: keywords are in the lexer, no?
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<rwmjones> thelema: I got around this by adding them to EXTEND, but yeah I'm sure keywords are in the lexer, just not sure how to add new ones
<thelema> I guess you could look at what's generated from teh EXTEND sugar and use that underlying mechanism to do what you want
<thelema> but if it's already solved, leave it solved.
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* rwmjones works out how to "lift" an OCaml expression in camlp4
* rwmjones is pleased
<djcoin> :)
<djcoin> Really have to dig ocaml in my free time
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<mrkronecker> Good evening. I wonder if anyone could tell me why this: http://pastebin.com/SNFbTfrA
<mrkronecker> gives the error
<mrkronecker> Error: This expression has type < decr : 'a; incr : 'b; value : 'c; .. >//but an expression was expected of type 'd // Self type cannot escape its class
<mrkronecker> ?
<mrkronecker> I've obviously made some horrendous mistake.
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<mrkronecker> Specifically:
<mrkronecker> File "./counter.ml", line 4, characters 36-42:
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<mrkronecker> I'm a mathematician attempting functional programming. Please forgive my code :(
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<jamii> Does anyone know how to make this Make rule work?
<jamii> $(OCAML_DIR)/%_piqi.ml: $(PIQI_DIR)/$(subst -,_,%).piqi
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<adrien> it doesn't?
<jamii> I'm guessing that right hand % is being treated as rawtest by subst
<jamii> *raw text
<jamii> so it becomes piqi_src/%
<jamii> But I don't know how to even check that
<adrien> are you using gnu make?
<jamii> yep
<jamii> The rule I want is eg book_entry_piqi.ml: book-entry.piqi
<jamii> Because piqi won't let me use _ and ocaml won't let me use -
<jamii> :)
<adrien> ah, work-around: [bB]ookEntry_piqi.ml? :P
<jamii> yeah, I guess so
<jamii> That makes me sad
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<jamii> $(subst -,_,$(OCAML_DIR)/%_piqi.ml): $(PIQI_DIR)/%.piqi
<jamii> Make is weird
<adrien> gnu* make ;-)
<jamii> I miss cake already
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<malouin> can I get PXP to always ignore an external DTD?
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<fpierfed> hello
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