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<gasche> adrien: I think fasta's behavior is not acceptable
<gasche> regardless of whether the critics have objective value, we want an IRC chan to be a comfortable place for everyone
<gasche> and fasta obviously does not understand or want to practice how to not be rude
<gasche> this chan must be comfortable to anyone discussing OCaml topic; to fasta's credit, he does not mess with beginners, but the problem still arises with people willing to discuss their project
<gasche> (eg. the merlin devs he harassed and who were subsequently worried to discuss more on the chan)
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<adrien_oww> as I said elsewhere, I need to read the backlog; I'm fairly tired so I'll only do it tonight when I'm back home
<adrien_oww> however I agre that everyone should be able to enjoy being on the channel
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<adrien_oww> and however on that, that's not a reason to not think (plus a +b is not something I enjoy doing=
<adrien_oww> )
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<gasche> adrien: I would be fine with +q
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* ggole makes do with ignore
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<BlankVerse> is there a std lib data structure to store a set/list of key,value pairs in ocaml?
<BlankVerse> and access the value using the key
<darkf> Map
<darkf> or Hashtbl
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<ggole> Or List (with assoc and friends)
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<BlankVerse> how do I call Option.may?
<ggole> It's not in the standard distribution: you'll need to install batteries
<Kakadu> Should this code be OK? http://paste.in.ua/8337/
<thizanne> ask ocaml ?
<Kakadu> I'm struggling of errror about `currval of sequence is not yet defined in this session`
<Drup> I can answer that
<Kakadu> postgres users recommend to add RETURNING keyword at the end os insert but macaque is macaque
<Kakadu> s/os/is/
<Drup> Kakadu: change your pool size to 1
<Kakadu> Drup: it is 1
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<Kakadu> Drup: any ideas else ?
<Drup> Kakadu: what are you creating a new connexion after the first query ?
<Kakadu> I can't reuse existing one. Types don't like each other
<Drup> why*
<Drup> use the same one
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<Guest91392> hello :)
<Drup> Kakadu: AFAIK, for a currval to work, the last query for the currval need to be on the same connection
<Kakadu> Drup: This expression has type 'a Db.Lwt_PGOCaml.t = 'a PGOCaml_generic.Make(Db.Lwt_thread).t but an expression was expected of type 'b Query.Db.t = 'b PGOCaml.t
<Kakadu> It is when I write lwt dbh = Db.connect() in Query.value dbh .....
<Guest91392> sorry
<Guest91392> what are you working on ?
<Guest91392> you have a type problem
<Drup> Kakadu: show me your Db module
<Guest91392> 'b Query.Db.t = 'b PGOCaml.t
<Guest91392> i haven't db
<Drup> Guest91392: not you :p
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<Guest91392> because i started ocaml one month ago and i'm going to manage it in a native type that i m working
<Guest91392> sorry
<Drup> for god sakes, put this pile operator away
<Drup> pipe*
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<Kakadu> Drup: :) why
<Kakadu> ?
<Drup> Kakadu: use Lwt_Query instead of Query
<Drup> you created two new modules for Pgocaml/macaque to work with lwt, why do you try to use the original ones ?
<Guest91392> haha nice to see some devs on ocaml .. i was desesperated thinking i was a part of 3% of people thinking it's a strong language xD
<Guest91392> is there some people working with ocsigen in this chan ?
<ousado> Guest91392: yes, but also #ocsigen
<Guest91392> okay :)
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<Guest91392> thx
<Kakadu> Drup: Lwt_Query doesn't change anything
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<Drup> Kakadu: you're using the same connection for both the query and the currval ?
<Kakadu> Ah, me noooob
<Drup> that's kinda the point I'm trying to make since the beginning ...
<Kakadu> I hope it is last my mistake with pgocaml :)
<mk270> is there a good example for lwt / pgocaml?
<Guest91392> the same ..xD
<Guest91392> i m reading on the site for me .. :)
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<Drup> that's a tricky question ? :D
<Guest91392> but i had some problems in installing all the packages with my school conf so i decided to recode my native type
<Guest91392> because you must install multiple packages to run ocsigen
<Drup> Guest91392: use opam
<companion_cube> looks like many packages use Lwt now
<Guest91392> in my opinion people stop to use it without finishing installation exept if you re-compile all what i done ..
<Guest91392> but too much time ..
<Drup> mk270: this is partially useful : http://ocsigen.org/tutorial/macaque
<Guest91392> (oups .. it s a troll .p)
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<Guest91392> (i m joking)
<Drup> Guest91392: as I said, there is a single line in the tutorial with opam and you have nothing to do but sit.
<Guest91392> cool :)
<Guest91392> thx i ll try
<Guest91392> lol
<Guest91392> srry i m a noob .. i started juste about tow months ago ocaml, and i m happy to see some people using it
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<BlankVerse> Error: No implementations provided for the following modules: Config referenced from top.cmx
<companion_cube> that's a linking problem
<BlankVerse> I have created a file config.ml and trying to use it in top.ml as "open Config"
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<Kakadu> BlankVerse: #load
<Kakadu> oops
<Kakadu> or #use
<ggole> BlankVerse: compile config first, pass the resulting .cm{ox} file to the compiler when you invoke it to compile top.ml
<ggole> Better still, use a build system
<BlankVerse> thankx
<Leonidas> ocamlbuild works pretty well for this purpose
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<flux> kakadu, your hello world example looks pretty nice
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<Kakadu> flux: Glad to hear it
<flux> I have one qtquick test project in c++, maybe I should try switching it to ocaml
<flux> not like I have written a single line of code to it for ages, though :)
<flux> but it should be a simple 'is host up: responding to ping, ssh, etc'-kind of application or applet
<flux> (I sometimes deal with hardware that is rebooted a lot, so it's nice to know when it's possible to log in)
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<Kakadu> flux: Can I say that I've found 1 potential user-tester?
<flux> kakadu, would I be the first?-)
<flux> I actually tried to compile the project but had some issues with it
<flux> is qt5.0 new enough?
<Kakadu> flux: I have a man who have built demo already and promises to use it in production. But have figured real life probems and postponed it
<Kakadu> flux: for compilation --- yes, For running all demos from tutorial ---no
<flux> apparently debian doesn't come with Qt5Quick.pc
<flux> so I probably need to compile qt5 myself
<flux> hah, no wonder qt5 seemed so small repository. 32 submodules.
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<flux> 5.1 seems to still be in beta
<Kakadu> beta is OK. It works well
<Kakadu> You don't need all submodules
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<Kakadu> ooops
<Kakadu> sorry
<flux> kakadu, how do I make that ./configure (which compiles?!) compile with make -j10?
<Kakadu> afaik, -j10 is option of make
<flux> yes
<Kakadu> so, make module-qtdeclrative -jN
<flux> but it compiles way before that already
<flux> in the configure phase
<Kakadu> yes, but is not very long part
<Kakadu> OK, my answer --- I don't know:
<Kakadu> :)
<flux> I think now it's doing the big compile
<flux> how long it might take?
<Kakadu> It depends on count of cores:)
<flux> but rather tens of minutes, or possibly hours, than a few minutes
<flux> I have AMD FX8350 8-core, but I think the number of cores isn't the whole store
<Kakadu> with -j4 I think it will be finished less than after 30 min
<flux> story
<Kakadu> If you check the timer I will add this info to docs
<Kakadu> btw, does prebuilt Qt 5.1 exists somewhere?
<flux> nope
<Kakadu> It should
<flux> oh?
<flux> it seems to be compiling something
<flux> I have debian-installed qt5.0 around
<Kakadu> mut if you have started building it will be great to finish it
<Kakadu> but*
<flux> hmm, it finished
<flux> make -j10 module-qtdeclarative 2563.84s user 270.57s system 679% cpu 6:57.20 total
<Kakadu> hm
<Kakadu> Maybe we have done something wrong? :)
<Kakadu> it's too fast)
<flux> make install started compiling something more :-)
<Kakadu> I haven't dome make install
<Kakadu> done*
<flux> that took a bit more than a minute
<flux> ..great
<flux> I did opam install core
<flux> then figured out I should update package list first
<flux> after opam update opam install core no longer works :)
<Kakadu> reinstall?
<avsm> no longer works?
<flux> [17:35] aiee(pts/7):~/src/ext/ocaml/lablqt/qml [qml-dev]% opam install core
<flux> 'opam install core' failed.
<flux> Fatal error: exception File "src/solver/opamHeuristic.ml", line 54, characters 22-28: Assertion failed
<flux> opam 1.0.0
<avsm> ugh. fixed in opam-trunk, but there won't be a release until thomas is back from vacation in a couple of weeks
<avsm> a clean reinstall fixes it
<avsm> (sorry)
<flux> sounds.. annoying. where is the trunk?
<avsm> it's not too bad: git clone git://github.com/OCamlPro/opam
<avsm> make && make install, and the update should work
<avsm> you just need to replace the opam binary
<avsm> in homebrew, brew —HEAD does the trick iirc
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<flux> seems to go forward again, thanks
<Kakadu> interesting, can I put opam repository for lablqt to github pages?..
<flux> also opam could use some parallelizing love I think :)
<flux> although package managers might be something you don't want to 'mess with' in that way
<flux> kakadu, yours or qt?
<flux> if [ ! -e /home/flux/src/ext/ocaml/lablqt/qml/test/.depend ]; then touch -ne /home/flux/src/ext/ocaml/lablqt/qml/test/.depend; fi
<flux> touch: invalid option -- 'n'
<flux> failed to run over X (over network), it seems to have tried doing to do some opengl stuff. I'll try it at home at some time. at least it compield etc :)
<Kakadu> flux: I have seen something like this on very old Mac. with GNU coreutils version 5
<flux> kakadu, this is gnu coreutils 8.20
<flux> kakadu, is qml-dev the branch to go with?
<Kakadu> yes
<Kakadu> me also have 8.20
<flux> kakadu, does our touch have -n? mine doesn't.
<avsm> flux: you can pass -j to opam to do parallel installs atm. it also can parallelise across multiple compiler switches
<avsm> it doesn't mess with the build system, so individual installs wll likely be serial
<Kakadu> Oh
<Kakadu> I can't really remember what I tried to achive with this option:)
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<Kakadu> flux: probably its better to remove "-ne" from configure
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<Kakadu> interesting, maybe Ubuntu where I have tested it requires -ne?
<Kakadu> And I also have a man who built it on Ubuntu and he wasn't confused by touch
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<flux> avsm, hmm, opam --help doesn't show -j?
<flux> avsm, or for which tool was that?
<ggole> Speaking of opam, is there a 32-bit release?
<flux> but I need to be moving and making some food (bbq!)
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<thelema> ggole: you may be able to compile a 32-bit release from source
<ggole> It requires a more recent version than I have install, unfortunately
<thelema> ggole: ocamlbrew can easily install a new version of ocaml
<ggole> I guess I could build ocaml from source, and then build opam from that
<ggole> Hmm, not familiar with it
<ggole> I'll have a look
<thelema> it can even comile opam for you
<ggole> This looks useful, thanks.
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<ggole> That was less painful that I was expecting.
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<avsm> flux: opam install --help
<avsm> the -j flag is only for the install subcommand, so "opam install foo -j 10"
<flux> ah, ok
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<flux> as it says in the documentation, but that fragment cannot be found with regexp -j :)
<avsm> yeah, downside to git-style man pages :P
<flux> do you use Cmdliner?
<flux> cool, halloworld works locally
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<Kakadu> flux: from last chapter?
<flux> from git
<flux> qml/halloworld
<Kakadu> aaah
<flux> but, its readme refers to https://github.com/Kakadu/lablqt/wiki/Using-mocml-with-QtQuick which doesn't exist
<Kakadu> it seems that the page was renamed
<Kakadu> fixed
<Kakadu> probably you want examples with Quick Controls
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<adrien_oww> I was under the impression that there was a function in the stdlib to get the list of files in a directory but I can't find it anymore
<thelema> adrien_oww: only as an array
<thelema> val readdir : string -> string array
<thelema> Sys.readdir
<adrien_oww> ah, in Sys, thanks :-)
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<pippijn> is there a common name for "fun f x -> f x; x"?
<thelema> pippijn: tap
<thelema> available in batteries
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<pippijn> ok, cool
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<j0sh> is there any way to avoid duplicate (variant) type definitions in a method signature and body?
<j0sh> s/method/module
<thelema> no
<thelema> the entire variant must be spelled out exactly the same in both
<thelema> (unless you want to hide it in the signature)
<j0sh> the variant should be visible from code using the module so i guess it cant be hidden
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<ggole> Can't you just name them?
<thelema> ggole: not if this is the one place he's declaring them
<thelema> That said, yes, it's possible to move such a type declaration out to a separate file, and only give a .ml for that file, preventing the duplication
<ggole> Oh, I see
<Kakadu> flux: Do you want some kind of information from me about OCaml and QtQuick?
<thelema> but if you want the type declared in a file with a .mli, you have to repeat it
<Kakadu> flux: I think that I will worry about your success in nearest future and I'm looking a way to avoid it ;)
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<wmeyer> hello
<companion_cube> world
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<Kakadu> salut
<Kakadu> wmeyer: You can congratulate me. I probably found 1st user for my ocaml+qtquick )
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<wmeyer> Kakadu: nice
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<osa1> where can I find OCaml syntax reference, in a BNF-like format?
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