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<caseyjames>
Hi I'm trying to create a symlink: sudo ln -s /usr/local/Cellar/coreutils/8.21/bin/greadlink /bin/readlink but typing readlink into the commandline doesn't seem to work, any ideas?
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<Drup>
caseyjames: check permissions
<caseyjames>
Hi drup, thanks - found osx had its own incompatible readlink else where which is nixed and everything is working
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<Drup>
haha, not surprised, the "which" command may prove helpful in those cases
<Drup>
(not sure if available on osx, though)
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<nicoo>
Hi, gents
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<whitequark>
which keywords in ocaml have bang versions?
<whitequark>
method!, inherit!, open!, ... what else?
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<whitequark>
val! seems to work
<Kakadu>
In Jocaml there was something like let!
<Kakadu>
IIRC
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<gasche>
whitequark: you listed them all
<gasche>
inherit!, method! and val! as part of the OO fragment, and open! otherwise
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<gasche>
more bang-variants may be introduced if shadowing warnings get added
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<gasche>
the next easy step is to let people use ocp-indent for indenting their code
<gasche>
the next hard step is to write a Merlin frontend :-)
<whitequark>
I'll probably write an ocp-indent plugin, yes
<whitequark>
I've been thinking of Merlin as well, but it's complex
<gasche>
with great power comes great responsibility
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<def-lkb>
whitequark: I can provide help with merlin if you have specific needs
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<whitequark>
OCaml's OO is quite awesome
<whitequark>
def-lkb: to be honest I just don't understand its overall architecture
<whitequark>
mainly, what does it require from the editor ?
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<def-lkb>
basic loop is:
<def-lkb>
1. editor tells merlin which file is being edited
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<def-lkb>
2. on every action that requires information from merlin (typing, completion, error-checking), the editor check if merlin is synchronized
<def-lkb>
2a. it does so by telling merlin where the current action happens: it's generally a pair (line, col), computed as the min between the cursor position and the last modification in the buffer not yet known by merlin
<whitequark>
(last modification in the buffer) hm, this may be problematic. sublime doesn't provide an API to request this.
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<def-lkb>
2b. in return merlin tells that it managed to synchronize at given (lin, col) position, and expects the editor to send contents of buffer starting from this position, if needed
<def-lkb>
from the implementation point of view, every action is implemented as "synchronize(location); specific_query", the difficult part being the implementation of "synchronize"
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<def-lkb>
whitequark: ok, I will take a look at sublime-text api and see how to workaround those limitations
<gasche>
people that heard the conversation can go there check for it
<gasche>
but new people having the same question will never find it and extract information from it
<gasche>
not only is the place too obscure, the information is not well-structured enough
<whitequark>
gasche: I have a significant amount of hits from google by various specific keywords
<whitequark>
but I see your point.
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<gasche>
you have to "curate" the information in some way to make it durable (to reuse that new fancy word)
<gasche>
the best would probably be for this to end up in some form on the Merlin wiki
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<gasche>
(bits are probably there already)
* adrien_oww
removes gasche's rights to use the words "curate" and "curation"
<whitequark>
chmod -c gasche ? :p
<adrien_oww>
I hate it when IRC convos end up on a wiki
<adrien_oww>
I'd say that all is wanted/needed is to mark chunks of IRC logs with tags
<gasche>
I have no time (and hm little interest) for that debate right now
<gasche>
I'm reworking slides for a talk about "PhD, Research and Programming languages" this afternoon
<adrien_oww>
sure; my point was that if you want to make quick notes that can be found later on, a wiki is not the right place and it will get outdated
<gasche>
my preferred option is to embed the useful information in the source repository
<gasche>
but yeah, some care is needed
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<whitequark>
def-lkb: yeah, I don't think there is a way to get notified on modifications or get a list of modified regions
<whitequark>
the author promised it for sublime 3 but did not deliver :(
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<whitequark>
I could probably implement a diff in python, but it'll likely be much faster in ocaml (merlin itself)
<whitequark>
do you think that makes sense?
<gasche>
but there is some serialization/piping cost
<def-lkb>
I tried this approach with vim, and python was unbelievably slow
<whitequark>
gasche: serialization?
<def-lkb>
I will implement the workarounds in merlin
<companion_cube>
there is already a diff in python
<companion_cube>
difflib at least, I think
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<whitequark>
as for piping, the way highlighting is implemented for ocaml in sublime results in it being quite slow on huge files anyway
<def-lkb>
companion_cube: it's more a cmp(1) than a diff(1) that is needed here
<whitequark>
(e.g. menhir-generated stuff)
<whitequark>
and you probably shouldn't be editing them by hand anyway
<whitequark>
(sublime's ocaml highlighter is a gigantic set of completely unreadable regular expressions with highly nonlinear behavior :/)
<def-lkb>
gasche: this cost is negligible most of the time… it's better if we can avoid it, and it's the case with vim and emacs
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<gasche>
ok
<gasche>
I'm surprized that a naive "find the first change" implementation in Python would be slower than json-escaping and sending over the whole document
<def-lkb>
but ocp-indent pipe everything on every invocation (multiple times a line) and yet is quite usable
<gasche>
but in any case, the simpler the frontend part is, the better, so if Merlin can support that degenerated use-case it's nice
<whitequark>
gasche: json serializer would be in C.
<whitequark>
and cost of piping locally is negligible
<def-lkb>
gasche: in vim cases, it was faster when relying on informations from vim core rather than diffing on python side
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<def-lkb>
whitequark: as a first approximation, we can use change count to track changes
<whitequark>
def-lkb: change count ?
<def-lkb>
View.change_count()
<def-lkb>
in sublime API
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<def-lkb>
also, the on_modified event is almost enough, we just need to know the location of the modification
<whitequark>
def-lkb: unfortunately this is not possible
<whitequark>
I think you could approximate it with tracking changes to sel()
<whitequark>
but multiple selections complicate this
<whitequark>
I think I'll try to write a rudimentary change tracking plugin when I'll have time and report the results to you
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<def-lkb>
whitequark: I will also work on a simpler frontend as suggested by gasche
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<whitequark>
I wish there was an option to specify the number of significant digits for Printf %f
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<Drup>
whitequark: there is one
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<whitequark>
no, it specifies the number of fractional digits
<whitequark>
though it's close enough
<Drup>
oh, right
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<Drup>
whitequark: you can use e, but the notation is a bit different
<whitequark>
that's not what I need
<whitequark>
well, I already made what I want with log10 and %.*f
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<dkg>
I've got an IPv6 address and an IPv4 address (both Unix.sockaddr addresses), and i'd like to indicate that they're the same if the IPv4 one is some W.X.Y.Z and the IPv6 address is ::ffff:W.X.Y.Z (see the description about ::ffff:0:0/96 on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPv6_address about why these are the same)
<dkg>
how can i make that test?
<dkg>
i guess i can do inet_addr_of_string on both of them, and see if one of them = the other one prefixed with '::ffff:', but that seems pretty clunky
<adrien_oww>
and
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<adrien_oww>
something like that was the source of a recent security issue in nbd
<adrien_oww>
unfortunately I don't have an answer for you ='(
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<dkg>
adrien_oww: yeah, i read about that issue in nbd
<dkg>
sloppy use of strcmp :)
<dkg>
or strncmp, rather
<dkg>
i don't think that particular flaw will bite ocaml
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<adrien_oww>
yeah but the data should not have been compared as strings in the first place
<dkg>
adrien_oww: agreed, but i'm not sure what the better way to approach that is.
<adrien_oww>
bit-per-bit comparison; makes it easy to handle subnets too; I'm still at work so I can't really look at this right now though
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<ddosia>
Hello. I have successfuly integrated merlin into vim, it is highlight errors and know about packages (if I add it to .merlin file). But it could not find my own packages
<rks`>
what do you mean?
<ddosia>
e.g. I have to files from Real World Ocaml book: freq.ml and counter.ml. freq.ml uses counter.ml; if I do corebuild it works fine
<ddosia>
and build me freq.native
<ddosia>
but vim keep saying that it dont know about Counter package
<rks`>
not package then, module
<ddosia>
ah, module
<ddosia>
sorry, just learning
<rks`>
you must have set your buildpath (i.e. "B <path>" in your .merlin) incorrectly
<ddosia>
this both files located in same directory. I add into merling file: PKG core
<rks`>
the source files are located in the same directory yes
<rks`>
but the cmi files (which merlin needs) are in _build I'd guess
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<ddosia>
So what should I do?
<rks`>
so you need some like "B _build" in your .merlin
<rks`>
something*
<rks`>
(if there is such a directory)
<rks`>
(is there?)
<ddosia>
thanks, it works now
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<orbitz>
almost passing!!!!!
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<rks`>
gasche: we need you on merlin's mailing-list
<rks`>
you need to explain that conversation on skype or g+ are lost forever
<rks`>
and that you'd much rather have it on the ML.
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<Ptival>
typical gasche's rant :)
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* whitequark
. o O ( gasche's rants are usually insightful )
<Drup>
whitequark: I disagree about that, on the specific topic of the wtfpl licence :3
<Drup>
hum
<Drup>
remove the last licence
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<whitequark>
Drup: hmm?
<whitequark>
I missed that
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