#ocaml on 2013-12-08 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2013-09-12 14:13 flux changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://caml.inria.fr/ | OCaml 4.01.0 http://bit.ly/1851A3R | http://www.ocaml.org | Public logs at http://tunes.org/~nef/logs/ocaml/

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09:25 <Kakadu> gour: hi!

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14:07 <ddosia> can't find docs for core's list module, in particular for List.filter_map

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15:01 <malvarez> https://ocaml.janestreet.com/ocaml-core/latest/doc/core_kernel/Core_list.html

15:01 <malvarez> ddosia: there's the doc for filter_map

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15:51 <ddosia> malvarez: thnx

15:54 <ddosia> if I need to do a couple of things under "then" clause in if statement, how could I group them in block?

15:54 <flux> typical way: begin foo (); helo (); end

15:54 <flux> alternative: ( and ) paired are exactly the same as begin and end paired

15:55 <flux> alternative2: if xx then let a = .. in .. (* scope continues here *) else ();

15:55 <flux> I suppose there's no way to close the scope of 'else' without using parenthesis or begin/end

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16:00 <ddosia> one more question. Only "val" functions in .mli file will be exported from crresponding module?

16:01 <flux> yes

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16:02 <ddosia> is there any practice exists how to separate internal functions from external inside module?

16:03 <ggole> Separate how?

16:03 <ddosia> in erlang we usually put internal functions from the bottom of the file

16:04 <ddosia> but here if I put internal functions to bootom, they will not be available in above functions

16:04 <ddosia> *bottom

16:04 <ggole> That doesn't really apply in OCaml, since you have to define functions before use (except for definitions that mutually recur).

16:04 <ggole> So just go with whatever works.

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16:10 <ddosia> I am not sure, why "fb" var is still available on 4th row? http://pastebin.com/reAHNcZ7

16:11 <ddosia> there ";" on 3rd row

16:11 <ddosia> and "in" on 2nd

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16:12 <adrien> why wouldn't it be reachable?

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16:13 <ddosia> I dont know, I thoght "in" narrows the scope of this var to next expression and ";" begins next expression

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16:17 <bernardofpc> a ; b === let () = a in b

16:18 <bernardofpc> as far as I recall

16:18 <adrien> it's pretty much what bernardofpc said

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16:22 <ddosia> If I do "open Core.Std" in .mli file, should I do this again in .ml file ?

16:22 <flux> yes

16:23 <flux> .mli isn't really 'included' into the .ml-file but rather is used as a filter

16:23 <ddosia> if I omit this in .mli file will it be an error?

16:23 <flux> the .mli and .ml must be possible to understand in isolation

16:23 <flux> so yes

16:23 <flux> for example you can compile an .mli-file even if you don't have an .ml-file

16:24 <ddosia> I see, thanks

16:24 <ggole> You "need" the open if your interface makes use of the types therein

16:25 <ggole> (Of course you don't need to open, you can just reference it directly or name a shortcut.)

16:25 <flux> meh, I got a segmentation fault from this lablgtk2 program that has custom C bindings to libjpeg :/. time to enable coredumps..

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16:26 <flux> now that I got the program working at some level, though, I should investiage how far kakadu's qtquick bingings are!

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16:46 <ddosia> if arrays in ocaml is buit in data type, is there any built in function to get array length?

16:46 <ddosia> I tryied to look at at Array.length implementation

16:46 <ddosia> external length : 'a array -> int = "%array_length

16:47 <ddosia> what does it mean?

16:48 <flux> that it's implemented in C

16:48 <flux> or in the compiler

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16:48 <flux> if you can find a function called array_length from the compiler then that's probably it :)

16:49 <ggole> Externals with a % prefix are compiler magic

16:49 <flux> right, I completely overlooked that

16:50 <ggole> The usual convention (in the stdlib) is for c functions is to be called caml_foo

16:51 <ddosia> [| ... |] stuff is a language part or magic from one of the modules like "|> or >>=" ?

16:52 <flux> it's language

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16:52 <flux> like [ ] is for lists, [| |] is for arrays, same level of magic

16:53 <flux> one thing that you can 'see' is that array.(n) is transformed into Array.get array n

16:53 <ddosia> how can I see that?

16:54 <flux> you can define your local Array-module with function 'get'

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16:54 <flux> module Array = struct let get = Printf.printf "%d\n%!" end;;

16:54 <ddosia> clever

16:54 <flux> oops, let get _ = ..

16:55 <ggole> Or ocamlc -dlambda test.ml (with a suitable file + contents)

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16:59 <ggole> (In fact you can see all sorts of interesting junk with the -d... options, particularly for ocamlopt.)

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17:07 <ddosia> If I need to handle unicode, what data type should I choose?

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17:08 <Drup> ddosia: use an appropriate library

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17:12 <adrien> he means camomile, uutf or a similar library

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18:02 <beginner42> i installed spoc with opam, but ocamlfind doesnt show it? How can i fix that?

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18:17 <orbitz> beginner42: does ocamlfind show any of your things in opam?

18:19 <Drup> beginner42: there is a bug in the opam package, ask rks`

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18:23 <beginner42> orbitz: opam list shows me SPOC, but ocamlfind list shows me many more packages which are not shown in opam

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18:24 <beginner42> Drup: is there a way to work around this bug?

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20:36 <malvarez> Does anybody know of any good tutorials on camlp4?

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20:40 <smondet> malvarez: there were these series of blog posts: http://ambassadortothecomputers.blogspot.com/p/reading-camlp4.html

20:41 <smondet> and also the Gallium wiki: http://brion.inria.fr/gallium/index.php/Camlp4

20:41 <malvarez> smondet: thanks, those resources seem very good

20:42 <malvarez> I have to admit, camlp4 is the only part of OCaml I don't like

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