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<jle`> is there a clean way to do simulate pattern matching on strings as if they were char list
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<jle`> do something if the string is empty, do something with the first char and the rest if it is not
<ygrek> convert it to char list first?
<yminsky> Anyone interested in giving the Real World OCaml install instructions a spin? I'd love to get feedback before the invading hordes start using it....
<jle`> ygrek: i have been doing that, but i am basically processing a string one char at a time, kind of like recursion, and this would involve exploding and re-imploding for every single character
<Drup> jle`: explode once, process, implode ?
<yminsky> jle': Or, use an index to track where you are in the string, have your recursion bump the index for each call. Pattern match on s.[idx].
<yminsky> (which should be the fastest thing to do.)
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<maa83> Can someone give me example of an expression with type 'a option option -> 'a?
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<ggole_> function Some (Some a) -> a | _ -> failwith "nope"
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<ggole_> Oh, he left
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<yminsky> Anyone with experience getting merlin and auto-complete to play well together?
<yminsky> In particular, I'm more confused on the auto-complete side of the fence.
<yminsky> I mean this specifically in the context of emacs.
<asmanur> what is your problem ?
<yminsky> The main thing is that I get completions when I don't want them.
<rks`> yminsky: yes, autocomplete does "idle completion" (or whatever they call it)
<yminsky> One weird one is that I type "in" (to close a "let"), and merlin proposes the completion of "int"
<rks`> there's an option to turn that of
<yminsky> then when I hit return, it puts in the extra t
<rks`> (that's auto complete, not merlin)
<yminsky> Any idea what the option is called?
<yminsky> "idle" doesn't seem to show up anywhere.
<rks`> yminsky: I don't remember the option name, but roshan encountered the problem this summer
<rks`> I think he has something in his config turning it off
<yminsky> I kind of like it showing me possible completions, but stealing carriage return to pick it seems bonkers.
<yminsky> I'll ping him. I'm out of the office right now, but I can shoot him an email.
<rks`> ok
<Drup> I had the same issue, I find the solution deep in the readme of autocomplete
<asmanur> yminsky: search for delay
<asmanur> ac-delay iirc
<rks`> (I don't think that's what he wants asmanur)
<yminsky> That's a number, right?
<yminsky> So I can set it to something very high?
<rks`> anyway, g2g
<asmanur> yes
<Drup> you can do cleverer
<yminsky> I'd really rather change the key for selecting a completion, rather than turn the feature off altogether. But I'll try turning it off.
<Drup> more clever*
<Drup> yminsky: look at the link, you will probably find your answer
<yminsky> Looking...
<Drup> it takes a bit of tunning to find "the right behavior" for you
<yminsky> This is the problem with emacs in general. You can configure the right behavior, but the default is often bonkers.
<Drup> another solution, specifically for "in", is to add it into the dictionary
<def-lkb> yminsky: (setq ac-start-auto nil)
<yminsky> Yeah, I just found that.
<yminsky> If anyone is interested, I have a useful base .emacs file in the install instructions for RWO
<thomasga> yminsky: it's usually better to bind the auto-complete command to a special key (and keep ENTER to select the right completion)
<yminsky> It includes things culled from different places, including the merlin instructions.
<thomasga> usually you don't need auto-complete when you write keywords
<yminsky> thomasga: For sure.
<thomasga> you can have a look at the default configuration for ocp-index where this works quite well
<def-lkb> There is probably an option to list keywords in order to prevent ac completion… But I agree, most default settings get in the way of the user.
<yminsky> ocp-index has a default .emacs file?
<yminsky> We should make an OPAM package with a good set of default emacs settings.
<yminsky> Something that ties together ocp-index, merlin, auto-complete, tuareg, the default emacs mode, etc.
<yminsky> thomasga: nice.
<Drup> thomasga: my .emacs is much more bloated than this :D
<yminsky> Do people like the idea of putting more opinionated emacs customization files in OPAM, to make life easier for new users?
<thomasga> yminsky: yes I do
<thomasga> that's something I wanted to do for a long time but haven't find the time to do it
<yminsky> thomasga: the first step is probably packaging up tuareg and the standard emacs mode from the OCaml distribution as OPAM packages.
<thomasga> actually, with marmalade (http://marmalade-repo.org/) installing tuareg is easy
<thomasga> but yes, maybe 'opam install tuareg' will be easier
<yminsky> How does a new user to emacs install marmalade? Seems like yet another barrier to entry.
<thomasga> true
<yminsky> And there are weird dependencies that are not handled well now.
<yminsky> Right now, merlin's elisp only really works properly if you have emacs-mode installed.
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<yminsky> (it steals some face defaults)
<yminsky> for the emacs-mode, maybe we can just change the compiler install process to install the emacs files too....
<yminsky> Since it does come with the tarball.
<thomasga> yes, we should do that
<ggole> marmalade is pretty easy to install (on a recent emacs)
<yminsky> How recent? And how does one install it?
<ggole> http://marmalade-repo.org/ describes the install
<yminsky> That does look pretty easy.
<ggole> It does require package.el, though
<ggole> Thus "on a recent emacs"
<yminsky> That said, I'm still inclined to think that installing the emacs files along with the relevant packages (as opam already does) is better, in that it's one step less.
<ggole> Yes, you may be right.
<yminsky> thomasga: would you be up for getting an initial repo set up? I'd be happy to help hack on the emacs config, but I sadly don't know much about creating the OPAM package.
<yminsky> thomasga: (though, from glancing at your emacs configs, I suspect you'll consider mine to be hopelessly ugly.)
<thomasga> sure. Just need help for naming the repo though :p
<yminsky> Hah!
<yminsky> default-emacs-configs-for-ocaml?
<yminsky> (I err on the side of descriptive and dull names...)
<ggole> emacs-ocaml-settings
<yminsky> Sure. Much better.
<ggole> Or maybe "emacs-beginner-settings"
<ggole> (Is it redundant to have "ocaml" in the name of an opam package?)
<yminsky> I was thinking of the name for the github repo.
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<yminsky> The opam package need not mention OCaml I think.
<ggole> Right.
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<rks`> hmm, isn't "package" available by defaut on emacs 24?
<yminsky> I think it is.
<yminsky> I just installed marmalade on my emacs, and that was pretty damn simple.
<rks`> but yes I agree: it's much better to install the modes with opam than with marmalade
<yminsky> If we can get marmalade working, I don't really mind using that instead of OPAM. The current state, though, is split: some elisp files do now come through OPAM, and some don't. Seems like we want a reasonably consistent story.
<rks`> that way you don't have synchronisation problems between your mode and tbe tool
<rks`> the*
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<yminsky> For sure.
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<thomasga> sorry I've been disconnect
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<jpdeplaix> thomasga: is there an option in opam for installing a switch plus the packages installed in the current switch ? (like « opam switch reinstall » do)
<jpdeplaix> does*
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<thomasga> you can export and import the package installed in your current switch
<kerneis> jpdeplaix: export/import through a text file
<jpdeplaix> mmmh I'm not sure to see what you mean :/
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<gour> i haven't tried it (yet), but wonder what is situation in regard to merlin & vim?
<rks`> the situation is awesome
<gour> :-)
<gasche> both rks and deflkb use Vim as their main editor, I believe
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<gasche> that said, they had to use Emacs temporarily to test Merlin-related issues; after a bit of that they'll recognize the One True Editor and switch permanently
<gasche> so do you vim while you can get some support
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<gasche> s/you/use/
<rks`> I think def-lkb already switched
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<gour> gasche: with wrist pain included? ;)
<gasche> I guess they'll use viper
<def-lkb> evil gasche, evil.
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<ousado> "the situation is awesome" lol
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<adrien> hmm?
<ousado> some hours ago, rks` said that, in response to <gour> i haven't tried it (yet), but wonder what is situation in regard to merlin & vim?
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<VictorTaupin> Hi! how do you expand a result with MacCaml
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<VictorTaupin> I have a result (it's a binary tree) but i can see the whole tree
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<VictorTaupin> hi ! do someone know how to display a whole answer with MacCaml or Caml light ?
<adrien> I don't know maccaml but I expecet there's nothing specific about it for setting that
<adrien> and
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<adrien> you have:
<adrien> #print_depth n;; Limit the printing of values to a maximal depth of n. The parts of values whose depth exceeds n are printed as ... (ellipsis).
<adrien> #print_length n;; Limit the number of value nodes printed to at most n. Remaining parts of values are printed as ... (ellipsis).
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<kerneis> putting a limit is mandatory because of recursive data structures
<kerneis> otherwise, let rec ones = 1 :: ones would kill your toplevel
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