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<adrien_oww>
morning
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<Kakadu>
o/
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<jerry__>
hi
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<jerry__>
adrien_oww, thank for your email !
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<adrien_oww>
jerry__: np, I hope it helped :)
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<jerry__>
i let you know as soon I get this working
<jerry__>
do you have any idea of the schedule for the 1.4 stable
<adrien_oww>
hopefully by monday
<jerry__>
right that fresh ! thanks
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<adrien_oww>
there are only a few deployment issues left on windows
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<octachoron>
Hello, I have a (strange) question about the index operator syntax.
<octachoron>
Currently, s.[x] is desugared to String.get[_unsafe] and a.(x) to Array.get[_unsafe]. Is there any good reasons for the paths String and Array to be hardcoded ?
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<octachoron>
It feels strange to have to mask the whole String module, if I just want to steal the string index operator...
<Kakadu>
Is it really possible to define custom [] operator?
<octachoron>
Yep, you just need to define a custom String module.
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<Kakadu>
So, it seems that [] is hardcoded in parser
<octachoron>
Same for .() and .{}... with a little more evil tricks for .{}
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<mrvn>
.{} has .{x}, .{x,y}, ...
<mrvn>
Kakadu: But They all just call get/set and you can define your own.
<Kakadu>
i.e. it is syntax sugar?
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<mrvn>
yes
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<octachoron>
If I am not mistaken x.{i_1, ..., i_n} call Bigarray.Array$n.get , isn't it ? So if you want to define a custom .{}, you also need to mask the Bigarray.Array$n module.
<mrvn>
yes
<Drup>
octachoron: working as intended. :)
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<octachoron>
Drup: But is the intention to discourage (hide?forbid?) custom ()/[]/{} operator? Or is it to avoid name collisions?
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<mrvn>
octachoron: Those special operators are both get and set. How would you define them yourself?
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<whitequark>
I wonder if .[]/.{}/.() can be redone using implicits
<mrvn>
At most you could allow something like let ( .() ) = Foo.( .() )
<mrvn>
whitequark: implicits?
<octachoron>
mrvn: There are not the same? The parser makes the difference between setting and getting and desugar to either set or get.
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<mrvn>
octachoron: yes. hence you can define set and get and the desugaring will use them.
<whitequark>
mrvn: typeclasses?
<mrvn>
whitequark: implement them
<mrvn>
Should be no problem to have a typeclass for "has set and get"
<octachoron>
mrvn: But by doing so, you need to mask either the String, Array or Bigarray module. Or is there a way to avoid masking these modules that I am not seeing?
<mrvn>
octachoron: module String = struct include String let get = ... let set = ... end
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<Drup>
octachoron: if you want to use .(), etc, as a sort of DSL, you can use local open
<Drup>
module T = struct module String = struct let get .... end end
<Drup>
T.( foo.( bar) )
<Drup>
you override String, but only locally, so it's almost fine
<mrvn>
or override .{} if you don't use bigarray.
<octachoron>
Drup: This is what I am doing currently, but I find this "almost fine" a little to close of being dangerously surprising.
<Drup>
it is
<mrvn>
then use get/set
<Drup>
but it's the best current solution :)
<mrvn>
or <<< >>>
<octachoron>
I find get/set quite distracting in vector heavy computations.
<octachoron>
<<< >>>?
<mrvn>
let (<<<) = Strin.set;;
<mrvn>
or @
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<mrvn>
There are lots of operators you can overload.
<mrvn>
Maybe the compiler could be patched to ha operator .<> that is free for use?
<mrvn>
s/ha/have/
<whitequark>
.%{{/}}%
<whitequark>
.<$#^ ^#$>
<whitequark>
moar operators!
<octachoron>
I agree with you for the get operator, but the set/.[]<- has the nice property to be a ternary operator.
<whitequark>
mrvn: perhaps .<> would be the "implicit get/set" operator, that would replace all the rest
<whitequark>
although it's frankly ugly
<mrvn>
whitequark: .<XXX XXX> where the XXX are arbitrary but have to match.
<mrvn>
could work for (), [] and {} too
<mrvn>
limited to chars that aren't normaly valid thee
<mrvn>
there
<octachoron>
In term of compilator patch, shouldn't be possible to move ()/[]/{} to pervasives like the standard ( + ) operator?
<mrvn>
They aren't polymorphic
<Drup>
mrvn: that's not even the question ...
<octachoron>
( + ) is not polymorphic either
<Drup>
octachoron: you need to modify the parser
<NoNNaN>
is there any publication/article/blog post about ocaml gc behaviour on large (>10G in memory data structure) heaps?
<Drup>
it's probably doable
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<octachoron>
Drup: Which is frowned upon?
<mrvn>
octachoron: the problem is they are both set and get. YOu can't express that as type in ocaml.
<Drup>
and probably a pain in the ass to do :p
<def`>
they are not parametric*
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<Drup>
mrvn: no, there is two operator
<mrvn>
NoNNaN: 4.2 has a patch for heaps > 1GB.
<Drup>
.{} and .{} <-
<octachoron>
mrvn: They are not at the parser level
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<NoNNaN>
mrvn: you mean 4.02 ? thx for the pointer, i'll check it
<mrvn>
octachoron: But you want them in the module and the they become part of the type.
<Drup>
that just mean we have tertiary operators ...
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<mrvn>
Drup: a.{x,y,z} <- b
<Drup>
oh, that ugly thing
<Drup>
yeah,
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<octachoron>
mrvn: Yes, but with local open, it is still quite usable.
<mrvn>
Having .() and .()<- might work. But how do you make all the .{} different?
<octachoron>
By naming then .{} .{_,_}, .{_,_,_} or something like that?
<mrvn>
could work.
<Drup>
mixfixs ! \o/
<mrvn>
A quinteriary operator is odd though.
<whitequark>
Drup: some GADT magic?
<Drup>
for what ?
<octachoron>
Well, it is already here in Bigarray.Array3
<mrvn>
whitequark: good idea.
<whitequark>
Drup: for variable arity
<Drup>
for the bigarray operator ? yeah
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<mrvn>
Let t parser insert some GADT types for the arity and get/set difference.
<Drup>
I don't know the bigarray interface enough to know
<mrvn>
type get type set type _ dir = Get : ('a -> 'b) -> get dir | Set : ('a -> 'b -> 'c) -> set dir
<mrvn>
And hen you can define .() with "a dir" as first argument.
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<mrvn>
By the way: YOu want a tertiary operator? let (%) cc x z = if cc then x else z;; let (^) f z = f z;; true % 0 ^ 1;;
<mrvn>
- : int = 0
<mrvn>
Too bad ? and : aren't operators.
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<mrvn>
fraggle_: *humm* If I only had a brain...
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<fraggle_>
mrvn, auto-completion error :)
<mrvn>
and why would we want to be on facebook?
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<whitequark>
црфе,
<whitequark>
*what?
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<mrvn>
random utterings cause by the lack of a brain
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<jerry__>
adrien_oww: I again just a question I was trying to build win-builds without root right and it failled at lua
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<jerry__>
adrien_oww: oups I think I had a wrong rights on directory !
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<jerry__>
adrien_oww: are you around
<jerry__>
?
<jerry__>
I have to use root to build window cross compiler ?
<adrien_oww>
jerry__: you can do it under fakeroot
<adrien_oww>
there's a weird thing with lua sometimes failing; simply run it again
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<jerry__>
I 'm going to with fake root
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<adrien_oww>
just run it again, should be fine
<adrien_oww>
at least if it's lua
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<jerry__>
adrien_oww: I get [windows_64] Building winpthreads. Thread 4 killed on uncaught exception Unix.Unix_error(1, "open", "/opt/cross/win-build/1.4-beta3/packages/windows_64/win-iconv-0.0.6-1-x86_64-w64-mingw32.txz") Called from file "build_packages.ml", line 28, characters 11-22
<jerry__>
when I try with a standard user or fakeroot and no message with root no clues ?
<tobiasBora_>
Hello,
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<tobiasBora_>
I'm trying to use the library FileUtils, it is really powerfull, however I can't manage to copy a folder with subfolder.
<tobiasBora_>
I use this code : FileUtil.cp ~force:Force ~recurse:true (FileUtil.ls src) dst;
<tobiasBora_>
# Fatal error: exception Sys_error("/home/tobias/.opam/4.01.0/share/myprogram/subfolder: Is a directory")
<tobiasBora_>
How...
<tobiasBora_>
Maybe I should use find instead of ls ?
<tobiasBora_>
No it still don't work...
<tobiasBora_>
doesn't
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<octachoron>
tobiasBora_: It seems to be a problem of FileUtil.cp which uses internally a "open_out_bin dir" which does not work on my system.
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<tobiasBora_>
octachoron: Hum... So there is nothing I can do for that ?
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<octachoron>
tobiasBora__: Does the problem appears when you try to copy to a clean directory?
<tobiasBora__>
if by clean you mean empty, yes...
<octachoron>
tobiasBora__: Yes, sorry. And without the force option?
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<tobiasBora__>
octachoron: Same problem... It works for you ?
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<octachoron>
tobiasBora__: For a basic dir structure, yes.
<octachoron>
tobiasBora__: Ah, I can reproduce the problem
* Kakadu
looks at cp implementation in FIleUtils and runs away in horror
<whitequark>
Kakadu: what about it?
<Kakadu>
they open one channel nad another for every file, read buffer and put it to output channel
<Kakadu>
nad also there is recusion over directory tree
<Kakadu>
I don't undestand why it is really needed
<Kakadu>
Let's do `cp -rf from where`
<Kakadu>
and Windows must die
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<octachoron>
The double iteration over the directory tree is also ... interesting
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<Kakadu>
in cpfull's body?
<whitequark>
Kakadu: hm, what is the problem with the channels?
<whitequark>
you now, `cp' does the same
<whitequark>
it's basically cp implemented in ocaml
<Kakadu>
It's NIH syndrome
<whitequark>
no, it's windows
<octachoron>
Kakadu:yes; the first for the directories and the second for the files
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<smondet>
Kakadu: also, I don't know about fileutils, but reimplementing `cp -r` in ocaml also gives you portable control on how follow|copy|fail-on symbolic links, or other special files
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<tobiasBora__>
Is it possible that some calls to the system such has saying "I have modified this file !" aren't made ? Because my file browser don't update automatiquely
<tobiasBora__>
I just received an email from the Sylvain Le Gall saying that he is going to correct it.
<def`>
tobiasBora__: it also depends on the way your file browser listen on the filesystem
<tobiasBora__>
def`: I don't really know how does it work... I though that when a file was added/removed a signal was send to some programs who sayed "I'm interesting to the content of this folder", but it's only an idea...
<tobiasBora__>
*in
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<tobiasBora__>
I have to go, thank you for your help
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<mrvn>
I still get odd GC crashes that I haven't figured out andthe FB module still needs lots of love.
<mrvn>
I'm considering ripping out the threading and implementing the pthread ABI the original module uses.
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<philtor>
whoa... water boil notice for all Portland Water customers
<philtor>
whoops.. wrong window
<Drup>
whitequark: just checking, the "good" way to check if a variable is a boolean is "classify_type ty = TypeKind.Integer && integer_bitwidth ty = 1" ?
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<whitequark>
yes
<whitequark>
or simpler: ty = Llvm.i1_type ctx
<whitequark>
could even use ==, no difference really
<Drup>
oh, that would work, nice.
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<Drup>
(I was afraid it wouldn't be the same constant)
<whitequark>
nope, LLVM uniques types
<whitequark>
and values, and everything basically
<whitequark>
it's pretty dedicated to conserving resources
<Drup>
make sense
<Drup>
whitequark: still didn't find a way to get just the label of a block
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<whitequark>
Drup: if you still want to get the automatic number thing: there is no way
<whitequark>
I've told you already
<Drup>
sure, but even for printing purposes, if I print a block, I get the whole content
<whitequark>
yes
<whitequark>
there is no API to get just the number thingy
<Drup>
:(
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<mrvn>
4 digits now?
<mrvn>
ups
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<mrvn>
main.cc:21:35: error: 'O_TMPFILE' was not declared in this scope
<mrvn>
ups, ewin
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<adrien>
C++? burn it!
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<pgomes>
hello all
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<pgomes>
Any good introductory text for Ocaml ?
<bitbckt>
"Real World OCaml"
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<pgomes>
Thanks
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<pgomes>
That covers only basic stuff or do you think that for more advanced stuff i need something else too ..?
<bitbckt>
it'll take you awhile to get past what it will teach you.
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<pgomes>
That was exactly my point :P
<pgomes>
Clear now!
<bitbckt>
which is to say: you'll be fine with just that.
<bitbckt>
and us ;-)
<pgomes>
ok ok :-)
<pgomes>
I come from an Erlang background, but its a different kind of beast, at least from what i have seen
<bitbckt>
considerably different.
<Drup>
indeed :p
<pgomes>
most of the functional stuff, pattern matching and the like looks like Ocaml ...
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<pgomes>
quoting for today ... more tomorrow !
<pgomes>
Thanks for the help!
<pgomes>
see ya!
<pgomes>
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