#ocaml on 2015-12-10 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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01:42 <mahem1> Hmmm, I wonder how to more easily do a:

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01:46 <mahem1> match my_list with | hd::tl -> List.fold_right fn tl hd | hd::[] -> hd

01:46 <mahem1> Use the first list element as the initial value of a fold.

01:47 <Drup> and fail if the list is empty ?

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01:49 <mahem1> True...

01:49 <mahem1> I guess that is why it shouldn't be done that way.

01:50 <Drup> :)

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02:16 <nicoo> mahem1: Most of the time, there is a value `zero` for which `collect f l = fold f zero l` (for all l but fixed f)

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02:47 <lewis1711> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/e8c223d5ac39b9278043

02:47 <lewis1711> how can I make this compile with corebuild?

02:47 <lewis1711> it runs in the repl

02:47 <lewis1711> (utop, that is)

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03:01 <lewis1711> ugh, it's "open Core.Std". nm

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04:22 <lewis1711> if I have a file a.ml, which implicitly forms the module A, how can I use it in the repl? #use "./a.ml" won't recognise that the file forms a module

04:23 <chambart> lewis1711, use #mod_use instead of #use

04:24 <lewis1711> awesome, thanks

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09:33 <mort___> morning! (here at least :) quick question — the install docs at http://ocaml.org/docs/install.html#Ubuntu are a little unhelpful — against where do i file an issue?

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09:50 <rks`> mort___: https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml.org/issues

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09:54 <mort___> rks`: ta!

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11:01 <edwin> Drup: ocsigen currently provides access to the raw/undecoded URL of http requests in the http frame -- which is nice for protocols that sign the request using HMAC -- however cohttp/Uri always normalizes things and doesn't provide acess to the raw Uri anymore. I see that on your cohttp_rebased branch you use Uri.to_string. How do you think access to the raw URL could be restored?

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11:04 <edwin> should Uri have the abilty to preserve the raw uri as received from the client, or should cohttp provide that?

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11:40 <Drup> edwin: I have no idea, you should certainly ask the cohttp people

11:40 <edwin> k

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12:46 <lewis1711> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/6d0ebc928e41978f67e4 why does the end of the try block terminate the whole function?

12:46 <lewis1711> if it hits the "with" bit, it will continue and all itself again

12:47 <Drup> lewis1711: use an auto-indenter to indent your code

12:47 <Drup> (ocp-indent, for example)

12:49 <lewis1711> blergh I think I'd rather use the old ";;" syntax than use another tool

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12:49 <Drup> That's not the issue, and it's going to help you, really.

12:49 <Drup> (and avoid any further similar issue)

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12:50 <Drup> which editor are you using ?

12:50 <lewis1711> what have I done? the suspense is killing me :P

12:50 <lewis1711> vim

12:51 <Drup> http://www.typerex.org/ocp-indent.html see the Vim section

12:52 <lewis1711> ok instead of using another tool (more complexity to deal with), I should probably just try and learn the indenting rules

12:52 <Drup> *sight*

12:53 <Drup> https://bpaste.net/show/fe8958dfd975 here is your code, correctly indented

12:53 <Drup> the last line of the function is inside the with case

12:54 <Drup> you need to wrap it in begin/end

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12:58 <lewis1711> Drup, I don't see how an auto-indenter would have helped if I need a begin/end

12:58 <lewis1711> but thanks

12:59 <Drup> it would have showed you the problem directly

13:01 <MasseR> You really shouldn't indent manually. I always cringe when I see someone doing it :/

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13:03 <lewis1711> this whitespace crap really isn't worth it to me. oh well.

13:04 <MasseR> It is an important part for readability and therefore maintainability

13:07 <lewis1711> I could not disagree more strongly. it means I have to use another damn tool. and if you need an automation to indent things for you because the syntactically-meaningful indentating isn't immediately obvious to a human reader, how does that help readability? when what you "read" intuitively is wrong?

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13:10 <lewis1711> I also have no idea where to put the begin/end. I'll use the tool I guess

13:10 <lyxia> indentation is not part of ocaml syntax

13:10 <lewis1711> (tried a few places)

13:11 <lyxia> was that not what you meant by "syntactucally meaningful"?

13:12 <lewis1711> I really have no clue what distinction you are making

13:12 <lewis1711> sorry

13:12 <lewis1711> how I am indenting things is effecting compilation

13:12 <lewis1711> what do you call that?

13:12 <MasseR> lewis1711: https://bpaste.net/show/01d2e897792d sure. indenting has no effect on readability.

13:13 <edwin> I think there is some confusion here, indendation doesn't affect semantics like it would in python

13:13 <lewis1711> isn't it?

13:13 <edwin> indentation only helps you see how the compiler interpretets what you wrote

13:13 <lewis1711> then why is the ";;" optional?

13:13 <flux> lewis1711, uh it seems like you -hoped- intentation would affect compliation, but it didn't

13:13 <lewis1711> isn't that whitespace?

13:14 <lewis1711> like in python?

13:14 <flux> does it look like whitespace?-o

13:14 <flux> whitespace looks like this:

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13:15 <flux> the main of purpose of ;; is to allow the ocaml shell to know that you have finished a phrase in the interactive top-level

13:15 <lewis1711> well I don't know how the compiler figures out where a function ends without ;;

13:15 <zozozo> well that's a fun idea: take a language and replace all whitespaces by semi-colons, :p

13:15 <lewis1711> if it is not doing something with whitespace

13:15 <lewis1711> that makes it meaningful

13:15 <lyxia> it's also necessary if you have a naked expression following a let binding at toplevel

13:15 <MasseR> lewis1711: let foo () = print_endline <- no whitespace, yet the compiler sees where the function ends

13:16 <lewis1711> doesn't it tell by the new line?

13:16 <lewis1711> ... which is whitespace?

13:16 <lyxia> it doesn't

13:16 <MasseR> No

13:16 <lyxia> it tells by the next "let"

13:16 <lewis1711> how does it tell it's not a nested let then?

13:16 <lewis1711> if not by whitespace?

13:16 <MasseR> lewis1711: there isn't an 'in' after it

13:16 <lewis1711> oh

13:16 <lewis1711> so it skips ahead

13:17 <lewis1711> then skips back

13:17 <flux> lewis1711, fun fact, here's a valid ocaml program: open Printf let foo a=a+42 let main()=Printf.printf"%d"(foo 42)let _ =main()

13:17 <lewis1711> anyway

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13:17 <lewis1711> I've missed around with the begin/end and I am confused as hell

13:17 <MasseR> lewis1711: try foo with _ -> begin bar; baz end

13:18 <flux> lewis1711, I guess you know though that begin end is exactly the same as ( and ) (except ( cannot be closed with begin and vice versa)

13:18 <Drup> https://bpaste.net/show/1aacbf254f88

13:19 <lewis1711> oh right

13:19 <lewis1711> it needed the ;

13:19 <lewis1711> because otherwise it read the whole thing as a function

13:19 <Drup> lewis1711: the tooling is here to help you. As a beginner, you are the kind of user that needs helps the most, so I don't understand your opposition to have it. It's very easy to install with opam

13:20 <MasseR> And the tooling is there to reduce complexity :)

13:20 <lewis1711> I hate tools. I really do. it's just more crap to learn or that can go wrong or that I have to ask about. and it's not as if ocaml is a large enough language that any of the tooling will have good documentation

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13:21 <lewis1711> the stuff about polymorphic variants is fascinating. an indenting tool is just yak-shaving

13:21 <MasseR> Spend 1 hour setting up a tool / configuration, reap the benefits for the next 50 hours

13:21 <lyxia> In any case you're speaking ill of indentation significance but it's what would have prevented the issue you asked about in the first place.

13:22 <Drup> I would put link to the good documentation for the various tools, put I won't spend time helping you if you are not willing to help yourself

13:22 <Drup> but*

13:22 <lewis1711> IDK where you get that I am not willing to help myself.

13:23 <lewis1711> thanks for the help

13:25 <lyxia> lewis1711: a nested let cannot follow an expression immediately. so in let f x = x let () = f (), it knows immediately that the second let is a toplevel one. There is no backtracking here.

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