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<apache2_> speaking of black magic, why is there a function called Array.make_float ?
<zozozo> apache2_: just a guess but because float arrays have a specific representation in ocaml
<zozozo> so that float are not boxed in a float array
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<zozozo> apache2_: from what I know and/or see in the compiler source (cf byterun/array.c), there are a lot of special cases for float arrays pretty much in all of the array functions
<apache2_> it seems rather unclean to me to make float arrays from uninitialized memory
<apache2_> why would you not initialize it to 0?
<zozozo> no idea
<apache2_> that uninitialized memory might be my usernames + passwords, and the float array may get printed in my web application
<apache2_> it seems to me that stuff like that should be hidden away in an Unsafe module somewhere rather than lie around in the standard libray
<zozozo> all I can say is use Array.make to create an array with initial values ?
<apache2_> yep
<apache2_> I was just complaining about the existence of functions like make_float in the standard library
<zozozo> apache2_: seems like it was introduced in this commit: https://github.com/ocaml/ocaml/commit/2373f76c36193cd94bbb6707dc0ec0cfcae3ee75
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<apache2_> :-/ it's new, even :-/
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<GrantSeltzer> Hi, does anyone here happen to work at Jane Street?
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<socket_probs> How can I write a string, say of XML, to a socket as binary encoded data, as hex I suppose.
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<socket_probs> How can I write something as uint32 little endian, preferably like a buffer.
<socket_probs> and then write that to a socket
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<Algebr`> I'm passing a string in lwt code to C code, doing caml_strdup(String_val(x)) and trying to print on the C side but aren't getting anything, I guess its some kind of flushing issue on the C side ?
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<adrien> why use caml_strdup() and not strdup()?
<adrien> also, how do you print it?
<Algebr`> that doesn't make a difference. char *s = caml_strdup(String_val(x)); printf("%s\n", s);
<adrien> you can try fflush(stdout);
<Algebr`> I did all the flush functions on the ocaml side,
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<adrien> printf's buffer is managed by the libc
<adrien> actually
<adrien> stdout/stderr
<adrien> while the in_channels in ocaml have their own buffering
<adrien> so you cannot mix both
<Algebr`> right, so I just need to only flush on the C side?
<adrien> not only that
<adrien> you shouldn't use the same resource from both C and OCaml
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<adrien> unless you make sure you don't have possible race conditions
<Algebr`> well its been done in a recursive Lwt loop
<edwin> do you need to print it just for debugging? or would it be possible to perform the printing on the ocaml side?
<Algebr`> probably just for debugging, should I just write the code as is and assume its right?
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<Algebr`> its odd because other printfs are working fine in the C side in the same function
<Algebr`> just the OCaml world string isn't printinf
<adrien> try fprintf(stderr, "%s\n", s);
<adrien> If a stream refers to a terminal (as stdout normally does), it is line buffered. The standard error stream stderr is always unbuffered by default.
<adrien> man setvbuf
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<Algebr`> I don't know if this is relevant but its been sent over to an Objc program
<Algebr`> adrien: tried that, still not working. oh well?
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<edwin> also check that it really is a string, there is String_tag and Tag_val I think, and try printing to a terminal or file
<edwin> and if your string has a \0 as its first char in OCaml then it won't print well with printf :)
<adrien> :)
<Algebr`> right, it prints fine on the ocaml side, need to check it closer then
<adrien> strace
<adrien> it's love
<edwin> and gdb, should work on C code
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<Algebr`> okay I'm a fool.
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<Algebr`> String.escaped to the rescue
<adrien> ends with \r? :P
<Algebr`> starts with: \001\000\000\000\b\000\000\000\001\000\000\000
<edwin> use caml_string_length and fwrite if you need to write that
<adrien> not much printable there ;p
<adrien> I think \001 isn't event printable
<Algebr`> its what I got back from Lwt_io.read
<edwin> 
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<Algebr`> anything lwt can give me to clean it up or I have to do it
<edwin> what are you expecting to read?
<Algebr`> xml
<Algebr`> which I do get
<edwin> utf-32?
<Algebr`> actually i think it needs to be little endian uint32
<Algebr`> yea
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<Algebr`> ah, i think im a dunce cause I already used Lwt_io.LE.write* correctly, probably needed the ready part as well
<Algebr`> read*
<edwin> hmm you could use uutfm and feed it the unicode scalar values to produce some readable utf-8 output
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<edwin> although your values still look strange
<edwin> even in utf-32 \001\000\000\000 would be the scalar value 1
<Algebr`> ahh, got it working 100%. I reading the first values of the header as approrpiately. Lwt really has some awesome abstractions.
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<Algebr`> Why does ocaml get special love from llvm?
<adrien> because it spent years without getting much?
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<Anarchos> Algebr` what do you mean ?
<Algebr`> the llvm source distribution has special requirements for ocaml, and even ctypes
<Algebr`> uses
<Anarchos> Algebr` you made me curious :)
<apache2> perhaps it's used in the llvm ecosystem?
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<Drup> llvm distributes the ocaml backends and whitequark is a big llvm contributor
<Algebr`> suspected had something to do with whitequakr
<Algebr`> whitequark
<smondet> Algebr`: I think the llvm-binding were there before whitequark joined (?) Anyway, considering OCaml for writing compilers is, well, pretty sane; considering C++ for writing software is totally insane.
<Algebr`> speaking of which, been using nix, its all implemented in c++/perl.
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<ollehar2> testing ii
<ollehar> testing ii again
<ollehar> (sorry)
<companion_cube> the irc client?
<ollehar2> yes
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<ollehar> wanted irc in vim, but...
<ollehar> couldn't compile vim with perl support for some reason ><
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<companion_cube> have you tried irc-client? :p
<ollehar> hm, no, only VimIRC
<ollehar> will look
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