<aantron>
im going to work on docs after ci, so if you have notes/strong opinions/requests, please let me know
<rgrinberg>
no strong opinins. I do like bunzli's styling though
<seangrove>
Super long shot - I'd love a merlin chrome extension that works on Github. Hover over a definition, see an Reason-in-Atom-style info panel. I have a hard time following types reading isolated OCaml code in the browser.
<aantron>
i just spent much longer than i originally expected, messing with cygwin and packaging ocaml+opam to speed up the build so it wouldnt be annoyingly slow
<aantron>
im probably going to speed up some of the travis builds as well, and get at least one win32-only platform (mingw, msvc) working. then docs
<Algebr`>
seangrove: wow that sounds nice!
<aantron>
seangrove: seconded
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<aantron>
oh yeah it would also be nice to automatically run tests on js_of_ocaml and/or bucklescript
<bensu>
what module would you recommend for command line argument parsing?
<Algebr`>
How do you ensure that an object is garbage collected? I was thinking let test () = let helper () = ignore (some_object ()) in helper(); Gc.full_major
<Algebr`>
yes
<bensu>
Algebr`: aantron thanks!
<Algebr`>
ah, my way worked
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<Algebr`>
I wonder, how can I use oasis with like a debug condition?
<Algebr`>
like I don't think oasis lets me get at environment variables
<Algebr`>
at arbitrary ones
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<Drup>
rgrinberg: is the hate of ocsigen.org's styling for practical or fashion reasons ? :)
<Algebr`>
it looks icky and its hard to navigate.
<Algebr`>
the experience is not pleasurable, other docs sites do better.
<Drup>
hard to navigate ?
<Drup>
Compared to other ocaml docs ? You'll have to explain that to me
<Drup>
I understand the fashion concerns, and I agree, but .. it's just fashion
<Algebr`>
Its hard to navigate compared to all other docs
<Algebr`>
I started the lwt branch on readthedocs
<Algebr`>
I think it ought to just be moved there
<Algebr`>
readthedocs has solved this docs problem, it looks great and easy to navigate
<rgrinberg>
Drup: i have to say it's just the styling. The one thing that always bugged me is how long the docs are and yet you cannot have a link to a single function
<rgrinberg>
or maybe i haven't learned to
<Drup>
rgrinberg: the link thing is a very annoying point of ocamldoc, I agree
<Drup>
fortunatly, you can work around it, by adding #VALname_of_fun to the URL
<Drup>
we should probably hack something around that, it has been a long standing issue
<aantron>
rgrinberg: i usually inspect the DOM at the function, and paste the id out.. its pretty awkward
<rgrinberg>
if only ocamldocs had a manpage target :P
<Drup>
rgrinberg: it does
<aantron>
ive been using lambda soup to "fix up" ocamldoc output.. i must say the markup is pretty awful, as in not very semantic
<Drup>
but it completely borks the markup
<rgrinberg>
Drup: lies
<Drup>
rgrinberg: "man List"
<rgrinberg>
:P
<Drup>
try it.
<rgrinberg>
that's glorious :O
<rgrinberg>
$ man Obj
<rgrinberg>
\o/
<aantron>
whoa.
<engil>
:o
<Drup>
rgrinberg: no do "man Format"
<Drup>
and you'll understand what I mean by "borks the markup"
<rgrinberg>
yuck..
<aantron>
is there a reason to publish the doc in multiple places? as long as the process is automatic
<aantron>
not to*
<aantron>
i mean, there is no reason why Algebr` couldn't have a mirror at readthedocs
<Drup>
aantron: not really, I'm strongly against not publishing the lwt doc on ocsigen.org, though
<aantron>
yeah, i cant consider removing it
<rgrinberg>
Drup: oh absolutely. The last thing we need is an old crusty version of lwt documented as the #2 google link
<Drup>
The issue is, How is the markup going to be on readthedocs ?
<aantron>
what do you mean?
<Drup>
well, readthedocs doesn't speak wikicreole, doesn't it ?
<rgrinberg>
$ man Unix
<rgrinberg>
the comments aren't stripped :P
<Algebr`>
readthedocs uses markdown, .md or rst
<aantron>
i dont know what readthedocs speaks, but we can easily extract text from HTML output
<rgrinberg>
i meant not wrapped
<Algebr`>
rst is python docs, basically markdown
<engil>
a little nicer
<engil>
a little more than a little, in fact
<Drup>
aantron: reverse engineer rst from the html document on ocsigen.org ?
<aantron>
Drup: im not volunteering to do it :p
<Drup>
me neither
<Drup>
that sounds terrifying
<aantron>
not sure why terrifying though
<rgrinberg>
says the author of lambda soup :P
<Drup>
the only decent solution I see is using the wikicreole produced by wikidoc, which would allow to also cover the manual
<aantron>
heh yes, i think it should be pretty easy.. i just dont want to do it because i have a ton of other lwt things to do
<aantron>
and mainly, i was focused on the mlis
<aantron>
i guess the manual is a bigger challenge indeed
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<aantron>
hmm, the pdf manual links are "not found"
<aantron>
is the whole manual one page?
<Drup>
the lwt one, yeah
<Drup>
the other ones, no
<aantron>
well that makes it a lot easier in the case of lwt
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<aantron>
but yeah. for me at least the much higher priority is to improve the actual texts
<Algebr`>
truth be told, Lwt doesn't have all that much docs anyway, it wouldn't be too much work to just do the RST right from the beginning
<aantron>
Drup: is it possible to adjust the formatting of the entire ocsigen site? i dont mean anything radical, just changing line heights so that they dont offend the eye by being inconsistent?
<aantron>
and such changes
<Drup>
Algebr`: ocsigen.org speaks wikicreole, and until you rewrite that software and all the ocsigen manuals to speak another markup, we are not going to change to another one :p
<Drup>
aantron: you would be very welcome to improve the design of ocsigen.org :D
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<aantron>
ok, good
<Drup>
(a complete makeover would be also welcome, but it's a lot of work :/)
<aantron>
yeah, i dont think i would be up for that
<aantron>
especially since im trying to un-oversubscribe :p
<aantron>
but i think improving the text of the doc, making the "master" link clearer, and fixing the CSS up a bit would make things easier for people
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<aantron>
Algebr`: if you want to mirror the mlis, or even the manual, on readthedocs, or somewhere, that sounds good.. but i wont have time to do a good job with that soon on my own
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<aantron>
if people find it easier to read (and i guess they will), we could switch over the links gradually, and eventually make it "official" – without removing the ocsigen docs
<Algebr`>
right
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<aantron>
i dont know if you want to wait for any attempts to improve ocsigen first though. maybe that will go well too :)
<aantron>
i guess for search purposes it may be better to have one place for the docs.. but i guess also, as long as mirrors are up to date, it doesnt matter that much
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<Algebr`>
I have a crackpot idea
<Algebr`>
does ocamldoc expose itself as an API?
<Algebr`>
can I get like `docs list`
<aantron>
not sure, but suppose it did
<aantron>
btw, are there any plans to factor ocamldoc out the way ocamlbuild has been?
<Algebr`>
reuse that community's efforts, although it might not work since many assume nodejs
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<aantron>
where does javascriptcore come in? when running `documentation`?
<Algebr`>
to execute the JS that generates the documentation
<aantron>
right, thats what i meant. i guess the command is also called "documentation" :p
<Algebr`>
oh righ tha
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<p_nathan>
Can I specify the type of a function as well as the definition of a function? I want to ensure the function returns the types I expect.
<flux>
p_nathan, when defining a function or calling it? (both can be done)
<flux>
p_nathan, ie. let foo a : int = assert false for a function definition defining only the return type
<p_nathan>
defining it.
<flux>
let foo (a : char) : int = .. for defining argument as well
<flux>
though oftentimes I write this, because it's similar to signatures: let foo : char -> int = fun a -> ..
<p_nathan>
so let <function-name> (<argument-name> : <argument-type) : <return-type>
<flux>
yes
<flux>
you can actually use (<variable/pattern-name> : <variable-type>) anywhere
<flux>
it can be useful for narrowing type errors
<p_nathan>
I'm wresting with using ezjonm and having a ton of "fun". :)
<p_nathan>
so anything I can use to debug and figure out where the error lives is useful
<flux>
p_nathan, do you have an environment that lets you see types of variables? ie. a platform that works with merlin.
<p_nathan>
I would like to say _yes_, but but I have had an incredibly tedious time getting opam to work (and I'm pretty sure it's not all the way there yet).
<p_nathan>
(I'm specifically using x64 Linux and emacs as editor)
<flux>
well, that's a bummer. because merlin is teh shit ;).
<flux>
sounds like your environment is pretty standard, I wonder why opam doesn't work..
<p_nathan>
pebkac
<p_nathan>
i can compile using a too-stanky command, but I can't import my code into utop
<p_nathan>
so _something_ is funkulated
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<p_nathan>
I've focused on mashing code and reading docs and waiting until my grasp of the OCaml world improves before I try to actually go deeper in tools.
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<flux>
though even better if you can give a name to the tuple (type credentials = string * string * string)
<flux>
and even better if you put them to a record: type credentials = { role : string; .. }
<p_nathan>
Yeah, I'm still shaking that syntax out,
<p_nathan>
Question. [> `Json of [> Ezjsonm.t ] ] comes out in a type error message. How should I interpret that? `Json is a type constructor. `of` denotes a parameterized type. I can't make out what the > and the [] should denote.
<flux>
[> `Foo] indicates a polymorphic variant type that has at least the constructor `Foo
<flux>
I consider polymorphic variants an advanced feature, but I guess if you want to do json with Ezjsonm then that's the way to go :)
<p_nathan>
if there's a simpler json library, I'm happy to look into that too. :-)
<flux>
I haven't used ezjsonm (nor jsonm) but yojson, I can't really say if it's easier or not.. you can probably persist even with your currently chosen tool :)
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<flux>
yojson itself is quite large as well, but it does come with a Yojson.Basic module
<flux>
tiny_json seems simple :)
<flux>
more likely those other modules are documented better than that, but on the other hand they probably need it more :)
<flux>
tiny_json has chosen to use strings for representing json numbers, though, so that can be annoying
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<Leonidas>
you know it's a good day when it starts with an update to Merlin 2.5 :)
<flux>
5fdd2d :)
<Leonidas>
flux: Yojson.Basic for some reason does not include the traversing utilities, which makes it… painful at best.
<Drup>
To be able to apply a labelled function without the labels, you need to provide all the arguments without labels, all at once
<Drup>
that's all
<newcomer>
Drup, yes, but that's inconsistent with currying.
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<newcomer>
so (f ~m:5) gives me a partially applying function which takes the labelled argument ~l along with the positional arguments x and y. Now if I apply that new function to arguments without labels, why should it complain?
<Drup>
newcomer: well, (f ~m:5) is a function with 3 arguments (and one is labelled), so you can apply it without labels if you apply the 3 arguments at once ...
<Drup>
(like you showed in line 6/7
<Drup>
f x y z is not exactly equivalent to ((f x) y) z in presence of labels, that's all
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<flux>
heh, this is a fun way to use operator symbols: let op3 (+) a b c = a + b + c (hardcaml examples use (^:))
<flux>
never used one as an argument..
<reynir>
nice
<Drup>
ah, yes, I used that once, it's quite nice
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<mrvn>
nice
<octachron>
I like also "let map2 (%) v w" = { x= v.x % w.x; y = v.y % w.y }"
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* pierpa
takes not to never hire flux or octachron
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<pierpa>
*note
<flux>
from now on I shall make use of that trick at least once a program
<flux>
to protect myself from such fierce head-hunters such as pierpa!
<Drup>
octachron: that's not really better than just using a normal function name :p
<pierpa>
:)
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<flux>
let swindle3 ((%), (+)) (a, b) (c, d) (e, f) = a + b % c + d % e + f
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<octachron>
Drup, true; associativity only starts to be useful for n > 2.
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<mrvn>
let (+) (*) x = x * x
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<flux>
mrvn, you didn't go all the way.. let (+) (*) (/) = (/) * (/)
<mrvn>
flux: /*/
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<mrvn>
flux: let's do it right: let (+) (/) (-) = (+) (/) (-);;
<mrvn>
val ( + ) : 'a -> ('a -> 'a -> 'b) -> 'b = <fun>
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<octachron>
or with unary operators: let (+) (~-) (-) (~+) = + (-) - + - (-)
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<Kakadu>
There was a problem last week when ocamlbuild could not find some plugin in absence in ocamlfind. And octachron's incredible telpathy skills decided that it is happening in side myocamlbuild.ml. Do you know some inside about it? Maybe it wroths bug report or patch to something?
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<octachron>
my telepathy skill? I don't remember having this skill :p. Do you mean my random guessing?
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<Kakadu>
Yeah, maybe
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<Kakadu>
It seems that you faced this issue some time ago
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<Kakadu>
Do you think we need to do something about this? for example check for ocamlfind existance if ocamlbuild is invoked with -use-ocamlfind?
<octachron>
well, a (minimal) repoducible test case for the issue would be a first step
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<Kakadu>
shit, It doesn't reproduces in this machine
<Kakadu>
reproduce*
<Kakadu>
will try tomorrow on original one
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<octachron>
kakadu, another random guess, was the problem on the same original machine where you had ocamlbuild version mismatches earlier this week?
<Kakadu>
no, different one
<Kakadu>
I'm sure
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<seliopou>
hcarty1 yoyoyo
<seliopou>
your bug report is perplexing. that shouldn't happen O_o
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<mrvn>
assert(false); Printf.printf "This should never happen!\n%!";
<gasche>
flux: this is little stuff compared to Yoric's evil infix application devince
<gasche>
*device
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<gasche>
[1; 2] <+ List.map2 (+) +> [3; 4]
<mrvn>
# let (+, -) = (lxor, lxor);;
<mrvn>
Error: Syntax error: operator expected.
<mrvn>
why doesn't that work? :(
<gasche>
let (+),(-) = ...
<mrvn>
that was retorical
<gasche>
well I see no particular reason to add this syntax as we can already express the same thing in a more consistent way
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seliopou: Thanks for the quick fix! And sorry for the silence here...
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<hcarty>
seliopou: Are you interested in LE/BE number parsing in Angstrom? (8,16,32,64)bit integers
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<octachron>
gasche, I am thinking of adding some readme file to the testsuite folder for "-open" within ocamldoc to precise the aim of the test. Any opinion on the subject?
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