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<vramana> I am trying to build janestreet/jenga. But I have never used oasis before can somebody help me. When I run ocaml setup.ml -configure I get Error: Unbound module OASISDynRun
<vramana> I was following this tutorial http://oasis.forge.ocamlcore.org/quickstart.html
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<Algebr`> do you have oasis installed?
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<infinity0> adrien: yeah i thuoght the process might automatically embedded jsoo into ocamlc so that everything is compiled with it
<infinity0> but meh, at this point it's all theoretical
<infinity0> and not really a good idea IMO :p js sucks and the js ecosystem sucks
<Algebr`> js ecosystem sucks?? as compared to what
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<adrien> :)
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<vramana> Algebr`: I solved that issue. I had trying to compile master and it required 4.03 and I had 4.02.3. I am trying to compile jenga with yojson as described here https://github.com/janestreet/jenga/issues/24#issuecomment-221787482 But I don't thats working. The size of binary before and after is exacly the same
<vramana> *I don't think that's working.
<vramana> I am using a fork of jenga from here https://github.com/npm-opam/jenga
<Algebr`> i know nothing about jenga
<vramana> :(
<Algebr`> and the people that probably do, I don't often see them on irc.
<vramana> Algebr`: But I think this part is related to oasis. Can you take a look at it?
<Algebr`> a bit busy with paid iOS reverse engineering work, sorry
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<Algebr`> might later
<vramana> Okay No problem
<Khady> why aren't you using the one from opam?
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<vramana> I want to use yojson in jengaroot.ml So I have to compile jenga with yojson embedded in it.
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<Khady> i suppose you can do the same as in opam vramana
<Khady> configure and make
<Khady> but if you add something to the _oasis et the setup is static, it may fail
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<vramana> Khady: I am trying the method mentioned here https://github.com/janestreet/jenga/issues/24#issuecomment-221787482 But whatever I add or remove in myocamlbuild.ml doesn't seem to matter much.
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<Drup> infinity0: ocamlpro did something to compile ocamlc to js, it's quite tricky (you have to emulate a file system). If you simply want a toplevel, then it's quite easy (and there are several examples, such as the one link in the motd)
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<infinity0> ah, i see thanks
<infinity0> js ecosystem sucks compared to pretty much everything else i've used, but that's another topic
<rom1504> because there is no other ecosystem
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<infinity0> oh there are plenty of other ecosystems
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<infinity0> anyone know the story behind this https://opam.ocaml.org/packages/lens/lens.1.0.0/
<infinity0> it's uploaded by pdonadeo, who forked it from avsm from github, whose description is "private extraction of astrada's lens lib"
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<infinity0> and alessandro strada is listed as the "original author" on opam
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<infinity0> oh i see, thanks
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<companion_cube> ahah, I forgot that lenses is yet another area with fragmentation
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<Algebr`> what is the advantage of lenses in ocaml?
<companion_cube> well it can be convenient to access/modify fields in deeply nested records
<companion_cube> this kind of things
<Drup> Algebr`: {x with y = {x.y with z = x.y.z +1 }}
<Drup> consider that :p
<companion_cube> I think Idris has a very neat `{x with y.z = x.y.z+1}` for this
<companion_cube> that might be an interesting extension to the language, actually
<Drup> companion_cube: pretty sure someone proposed that
<companion_cube> oh!
<companion_cube> and it was rejected?
<XPEHOPE3> Anyone knows if BFD library support is available under cygwin? With cygwin32-libbfd-2.25.1-1 installed I keep getting configure warning "BFD library not found, 'objinfo' will be unable to display info on .cmxs files."
<Algebr`> Drup: hmm, okay, so some convienence
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<Algebr`> so many exciting PRs
<companion_cube> ok, so it's hard to implement properly :/
<companion_cube> thnaks zozozo
<zozozo> ^^
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<companion_cube> oh damn, I didn't test the 4.04 beta
<XPEHOPE3> what's the expected way to read "Changes" file from OCaml distribution? Strings like [@@ocaml.warning] look like links, but asciidoc doesn't create links from them
<Drup> that's not a link, it's an example of (ppx) annotation in ocaml source files
<companion_cube> there should be `` around, unless people forgot them
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<XPEHOPE3> oh, thanks
<octachron> companion_cube: As far as I can see, no ppx annotations are quoted in Changes...
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<companion_cube> too bad :(
<companion_cube> it's a good habit to take, but I understand people don't pay attention
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<octachron> companion_cube, it is also probably because the format of the Changes file itself is not that clear
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<companion_cube> yeah, yeaj
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<mfp> vbmithr: would you be OK to change the oraft license to MIT?
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<mfp> vbmithr: (got a request in that direction from MirageOS people who want to build on top of it, for the sake of license uniformity, since all their code is MIT)
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<flux> reminds me.. is there some preferency-based voting algorithm that splits voters into groups that satisfy given % of the voters?
<flux> I'm thinking like conrdocet but then find the candidates that satisfy voters "sufficiently" with "high coverage"?
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<hu3hu3hue> hello guys! I just heard about OCaml for the first time. What are the benefits of the language vs JS?
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<rgrinberg> is there a way to show something like an int array array as a table in the top level?
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<Algebr`> ah, hu3hu3hue left =/
<Algebr`> hu3hu3hue: hopefully you will come back, have many thoughts/answers for you
<Anarchos> Algebr` JS, is it really a language ? :)
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<Algebr`> heh, well, at least theres a spec, can't really say that about ocaml
<Anarchos> Algebr` why is there no spec of ocaml ? That is a very question
<tane> I guess not having a spec makes it easier to develop new things instead of wasting ours in spec-commitee meetings
<tane> hours*
<Bluddy[m]> yeah it's hard enough getting new elements into the language without a spec
<Algebr`> well python also doesn't have a spec, and so some things are quite ad-hoc
<copy`> rgrinberg: You can use ppx_deriving: `type t = int array array [@@deriving show];;`
<copy`> Nevermind
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<orbifx> mrvn: when is a Custom_tag block collected? When it's root is unregistered?
<ggole> Same as any other GCd object: when it isn't reachable and the GC gets around to reclaiming it
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<orbifx> ggole: yeah, just wanted to verify the scheme were one mallocs stuff from C
<orbifx> mrvn: helped in the past so he may remember the context
<orbifx> but I got to the bottom of it now anyway, thanks
<ggole> mallocs? You mean, uses the caml allocation routines?
<rgrinberg> copy`: nice try but it's not any prettier :/
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<orbifx> ggole: yes and C malloc
<Algebr`> C malloc in a custom block I assume you mean, where you do a free when on your hook in the custom_operations
<ggole> Memory obtained from (your own calls to) malloc will never be collected. You have to call free on it yourself.
<orbifx> Algebr`: yes
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<orbifx> ggole: yes. and tha caml_alloc_custom, when the value returned goes out of scope
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<orbifx> what I was wondering was what happens if that value is registed as a root
<orbifx> which may not be possible
<orbifx> Kakadu2[m]: fixed the bugs. I don't know how it was running on yours, cause the bug was in the context setter
<ggole> Being registered as a root means that the value stays alive
<orbifx> yeah
<orbifx> but can one register a value which is allocated in OCaml's heap?
<ggole> No, I don't think that works
<ggole> The OCaml heap doesn't have stable addresses.
<Algebr`> the gc moves stuff around right
<orbifx> yeah and I remember mrvn saying something that the run-time can't cope with updating registered values which can move (much burden I pressume)
<kakadu> but value type in C is a OCaml value and not a pointer to OCaml value, right?
<orbifx> kakadu: which value are you referring to?
<kakadu> register_global_root(value*) --- this one
<gasche`> hm
<gasche`> I'm surprised by the claim that values allocated on the OCaml heap cannot be registered as roots
<gasche`> I would suspect that this is possible, and I see nothing in the documentation saying otherwise
<gasche`> (the fact that blocks on the heap may be moved doesn't seem to be an issue as roots are handled specially during collections anyway)
<kakadu> Why value allocated by plain malloc cannot be passed to register_global_root?
<gasche`> can they not?
<orbifx> kakadu: they can
<kakadu> I think that they can but you are talking about `OCaml heap` and not just `heap`. So I want to ask about clarification what OCaml heap is
<orbifx> OCaml heap is the dynamic memory managed by OCaml's runtime
<kakadu> Well, than should be a standart function to create value in this heap.
<orbifx> there is
<kakadu> I just do not remember It's name
<kakadu> but in your initial patch AFAIR you have used plain malloc
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<ggole> gasche`: we might be talking about slightly different situations. The situation I have in mind is a pointer that is stored inside an allocated block.
<ggole> Although, maybe that is handled somehow.
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<orbifx> kakadu: that is because that address should not change, or the C++ lambda will point to the wrong thing
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<orbifx> and there is something about custom blocks not being able to contain pointer to the heap
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<kakadu> So, values registered as global roots still can be moved?
<orbifx> yeah
<orbifx> cause from what I understood, when registering it, you tell the runtime to come back and update your value if it moves what it points too
<orbifx> to*
<orbifx> but what you register, I think can't and shouldn't move
<orbifx> you have to unregister it first I pressume and then register its new address
<kakadu> Well, I think that there are only two sane variants
<kakadu> 1) Values registered as global roots are not GCed and not moved
<kakadu> 2) Values registered as global roots can be moved but in the old location it stores some special tag and actual place where it was moved. I read something about it during investigation what Infix_tag is.
<orbifx> I have no clue about 2, but I think 1 is valid.
<gasche`> ggole: I see
<gasche`> hm
<gasche`> root-manipulation functions take a value* argument
<kakadu> In 1st case your fix about extra malloc should not solve the problem. Because the values could not be moved and the issue is somewhere else
<kakadu> gasche`: Yeah, the location of a value
<orbifx> kakadu: but it's a pointer to something which can be moved.
<orbifx> and there isn't an issue now I think I ran it for some million of callbacks
<orbifx> Tomorrow I will try it with a real application
<kakadu> Yes, but in 1st case this values is registered and can't be moved
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<orbifx> kakadu: you don't register what it points to, you register the pointer
<orbifx> C pointer ---> Ocaml heap block
<kakadu> ---> value
<orbifx> when ocaml heap block moves, something needs to update the C pointer
<kakadu> Than I should pass pointer to pointer to register_global_root
<kakadu> You can't update pointer itself when you have only pointer and no address of thispointer
<ggole> Yes, register_global_root takes a value*
<orbifx> you are losing me now kakadu :P
<kakadu> If value can be moved we are in the 2nd scenario
<orbifx> I need to write this at some point :P
<kakadu> Maybe I'm talking nonsense
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<orbifx> I will blog about this, but first I need to program a blog in OCaml :P
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<kakadu> Maybe markdown-driven blog will be simpler?
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<gasche`> Gagallium uses stog for OCaml-powered static websites: https://zoggy.github.io/stog/
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<kakadu> looks nice
<kakadu> orbifx: ?
<orbifx> yeah?
<kakadu> canopy!
<orbifx> kakadu: it is markdown driven
<kakadu> it is not bad
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<orbifx> it's yamado based but on OCaml steroids
<engil> kakadu: if you need some help with it just ask
<engil> It should be still working, but I think hannes is the current expert on canopy's situation :-)
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<gasche`> engil: having the "TLS support" section first in your README is a bit scary
<gasche`> in fact the README order is almost exactly the reverse of what it should be
<orbifx> what is canopy kakadu, engil ?
<kakadu> some blog engine
<gasche`> first "How Canopy Works", then "Compiling and running Canopy", then "Git push hooks", then the arcane stuff
<kakadu> Readme is awkward, It seems that it works only under mirage
<Drup> orbifx: link is just above ..
<gasche`> (aslo "Git push hooks" should have an example of complete text to put in a git hook file)
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<Drup> engil: you can still only use markdown ?
<gasche`> also "http://canopy.cha.moe/" is down
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<orbifx> thank Drup
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<orbifx> logarion is not a unikernel, although I pressume one can use it at such because I'm making it modular
<orbifx> logarion is also both dynamic and static, based on user's choice
<orbifx> currently making the dynamic part
<orbifx> and there is more to be added for offline use.. brainstorming on that front
<orbifx> I mean serverless, not offline
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<engil> Drup: I guess so
<engil> but it shouldn't be too hard to use something else
<engil> markdown is the current default, but nothing prevent anyone to add more formats, as long as you can somehow generate the right HTML with some OCaml library
<engil> gasche`: yeah, that's a shame, the server is down. but that wasn't useful anyway, I will remove the link, thank you :)
* engil ashamed
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<orbifx> what is the notation [< foo ] and [> bar] ?
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<engil> gasche`: and yeah I need to rewrite the doc, this readme is quite a mess, will try to take some time in the next few weeks to improve that, thank you for your feedback :)
<orbifx> engil: I see the markdown format you have looks similar if not identical to what I've specified for yamado
<orbifx> maybe we could consolidate some effort
<zozozo> orbifx: these are polymorphic variants (cf http://caml.inria.fr/pub/docs/manual-ocaml-4.03/lablexamples.html#sec46 )
<engil> orbifx: that would be great indeed :)
<orbifx> zozozo: thanks
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