#ocaml on 2016-09-24 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2016-07-30 19:20 adrien changed the topic of #ocaml to: Discussions about the OCaml programming language | http://www.ocaml.org | Upcoming OCaml MOOC: https://huit.re/ocamlmooc | OCaml 4.03.0 release notes: http://ocaml.org/releases/4.03.html | Try OCaml in your browser: http://try.ocamlpro.com | Public channel logs at http://irclog.whitequark.org/ocaml

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10:29 <tennix> for ocaml project, which build system do you use? there seems a lot of tools for building ocaml project, ocamlbuild, corebuild, oasis, omake, ocp-build ...

10:31 <adrien> use oasis :P

10:32 <zozozo> technically, oasis isn't a build system

10:32 <Algebr`> how is it not a build system

10:34 <tennix> > OASIS is a tool to integrate a configure, build and install system in your OCaml project. It helps to create standard entry points in your build system and allows external tools to analyse your project easily.

10:34 <tennix> From oasis official site

10:35 <Algebr`> sounds like a build system

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10:39 <tennix> anyone can give a short comparison about these tools?

10:41 <Algebr`> ocamlbuild is a specificalized for ocaml builder, corebuild is a jane street wrapper for it, oasis is a wrapper on top of ocamlbuild that also creates libraries for ocamlfind, can generate documentation, omake is another build tool, you write omake files for it, ocp-build is yet another tool, i think like three projects use it

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10:42 <tennix> ok, just googled a doc by typerex https://www.typerex.org/pub/ocp-build/ocp-build-manual-2013-01-26.pdf

10:43 <tennix> it says ocp-build is similar to oasis+ocamlfind+ocamlbuild

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10:45 <zozozo> Algebr`: oasis calls ocamlbuild or omake to take care of the build

10:46 <Algebr`> in practical terms oasis always calls ocamlbuild, never seen an example of oasis calling omake

10:47 <zozozo> support for omake was added very recently I think

10:48 <tennix> the doc says opam itself is built with ocp-build

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12:45 <Algebr`> opinion: some thing is called foo2 and you have an ocaml interface to it, call the ocaml interface foo2 or just foo?

12:46 <tane> so there's no real reason for the 2, i.e. there's no 1? :)

12:46 <Algebr`> I have no idea what happened to 1

12:46 <Algebr`> I'm leaning towards just calling it foo

12:48 <ggole> Keep the 2, there might be a 3

12:48 <Algebr`> but if its an ocaml interface, then I can abstract over the 2 or future 3 interface, no?

12:50 <tane> https://opam.ocaml.org/packages/fftw3/ << they kept the numbering

12:51 <Algebr`> okay, keeping the numbering then

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13:43 <Algebr`> for people interested in reverse engineering, OCaml interface to radare2 https://github.com/fxfactorial/ocaml-radare2

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13:59 <flux> algebr`, btw, do you know a good hex editor?

13:59 <flux> I ended up with tweak

14:00 <Algebr`> hopper has one

14:01 <flux> I guess it works fine with files > memory?

14:04 <Algebr`> pretty sure, you can save the edits back to the binary

14:04 <Algebr`> its pretty worth it i think

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14:07 <lobo> flux: i like http://www.wxhexeditor.org/

14:08 <flux> lobo, thanks, I'll try that (not now though)

14:08 <flux> I don't know how I missed it, it's in debian

14:09 <flux> I guess I can scratch that off from my projects-to-do-list ;)

14:09 <Algebr`> ha

14:10 <flux> cool, Allows Linux Process Memory Editing operations

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14:33 <flux> cool, wxhexeditor crashes if I try to resize its window

14:33 <flux> I guess 600x456 is enough for everybody :)

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14:39 <lobo> flux: ah ok, that sucks. are you running 0.23 on debian testing as well? didn't manage to crash it while resizing the window

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15:09 <flux> in fact I am

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15:10 <flux> I've seen this issue with some other program, and I've though that it might be related to that I don't run a compositing window manager..

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15:59 <loxs> what do I need to do in order to instruct oasis to use menhir instead of ocamlyacc?

16:02 <tane> loxs, add true: use_menhir to _tags

16:02 <tane> at least that's what I did, maybe there's a better way

16:03 <loxs> hmm, I did that and seems like the parser file gets built properly.... but it now forgot where to find Core

16:04 <loxs> and I get: Error: Unbound module Core

16:04 <loxs> (before adding the _tags file it worked)

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17:46 <reynir> ppx_blob is nice

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18:25 <Algebr`> is there any example code showing how to handle uint32_t on C side to OCaml side?

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18:26 <orbifx> hello all

18:26 <orbifx> anyone seen this before:

18:26 <orbifx> findlib: [WARNING] Interface topdirs.cmi occurs in several directories: /Users/fox/.opam/4.03.0/lib/ocaml/compiler-libs, /Users/fox/.opam/4.03.0/lib/ocaml

18:26 <Algebr`> yes, safe to ignore

18:26 <reynir1> Yes

18:26 <orbifx> can I get rid of it?

18:27 <Algebr`> get rid of one, don't remember which one is okay to get rid of

18:30 <orbifx> ok thanks Algebr`, I'll look into it

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18:51 <orbifx> Would either the Matrix or the Grid be written in OCaml?

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19:18 <reynir> heh

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19:20 <orbifx> reynir: ?

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19:21 <reynir> I don't know if they would be written in OCaml :-)

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19:22 <reynir> I'm thinking it'd be horrible self-mutating code

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19:29 <orbifx> true, maybe we need to invent some types that do that?

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20:50 <zozozo> orbifx: yes, for isntace .byte

20:50 <zozozo> for more information: https://github.com/ocaml/ocamlbuild/blob/master/manual/manual.adoc#targets-and-rules

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21:46 <orbifx> zozozo: checking it out

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21:48 <orbifx> zozozo: yes, seen that. But that generates something called foobar.byte. What if I want the target file to be foobar (no extension) ? DO I have to move it manually or can I call the rule but have it generate an extention;ess file

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21:50 <zozozo> afaik, either you move the file manually (that's actually what I do in my projets, since usually, I have a file main.ml, build main.native then copy it to have an appropriate named bin), or you'd have to create a custom ocamlbuild rule in your myocamlbuild.ml

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22:30 <orbifx> thanks zozozo

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23:24 <struk|desk2> channel have any thought son this optional argument pattern ? https://github.com/hammerlab/oml/blob/e3c203405447e4a1f0340883ead60b4e3307a67b/src/lib/util/util.ml#L28

23:24 <struk|desk2> debating on it for some of my own modules

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23:25 <struk|desk2> then you define val foo : ?opt -> foo_args -> foo_result

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23:37 <Druup> struk|desk: how is it used ?

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23:39 <struk|desk> Druup: for the machine learning classifiers and regression models, in that example. wait one sec, have a simplified version forthcoming

23:39 <Enjolras> i guess it can be useful if you have a very complex initiliazation sequence where you want to define a contex wit mutiple independant sets of arguments while doing internally some sanitizing

23:40 <Enjolras> but i prefer to use optional arguments for simple cases (where all values are indepndants) or ADT

23:41 <Enjolras> hmm, is you opt supposed to be asbtract or exported actually ?

23:43 <struk|desk> exported

23:43 <struk|desk> typically

23:43 <struk|desk> in my case though, I have some shared fields of the optional arg

23:44 <struk|desk> so I need to decide how to build up on that, and trying to avoid objects to do so

23:44 <Enjolras> ok so disregard what i just said :)

23:44 <Enjolras> i think adt are a good way to encode optional arguments

23:45 <struk|desk> Enjolras: can you give a small but good example?

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23:46 <Enjolras> so let's say you have one function doing "something" with 3 possible algorithms A | B | C, with 3 common indepndant options Foo Bar FooBar, and specific option A1 B1, C1 with two suboptions F1 and F2 and so on

23:47 <Enjolras> you could pass args as Opts ([Foo; FooBar], C (C1 [F1])

23:47 <Enjolras> not sure if it is a small but good example :)

23:48 <struk|desk> Druup: for this https://github.com/KitFreddura/OCaml-Primes/issues/6

23:49 <struk|desk> although that's not the shared optional argument example

23:49 <struk|desk> that one is my a caching library I have with different cache backends

23:49 <struk|desk> *is in my

23:49 <struk|desk> Enjolras: reading your example..

23:50 <Enjolras> the main point is to define in the type what combinations are valid set of options

23:52 <Enjolras> in this example it is obvious that Foo, Bar and FooBar are optional flags, but you need to pass one of A, B or C, each having specific options

23:52 <Enjolras> you can express complex initialization states like this

23:53 <struk|desk> a bit confused, let me pour some cold brew that just finished dripping out of my shiny metal toddy filter :)

23:53 <Enjolras> i'll do that too, i'm just getting out of a night long flight :)

23:54 <struk|desk> Enjolras: quickly though. I have cache backends A, B, C. all of A,B,C share optional string argument field "name", and each of A,B,C implement a common Cache interface. B requires ip /port info, A does not, and C requires a maximum cache size. how to encode that using adts?

23:56 <Enjolras> type common = Opt1 of string | Opt2 of string type backends = A | B of ip * port | C of int type opts = common list * backend ?

23:56 <Enjolras> or with records instead of tuple to get nice name

23:56 <struk|desk> that forces options to be known at the top though which is not desirable for me

23:57 <Enjolras> hmm i see

23:57 <struk|desk> presumably people would link in a simpler cache (for in memory say)

23:57 <struk|desk> and then switch to distributed or persistent or whatever later

23:57 <Enjolras> ok. This does not work then.

23:58 <Enjolras> i see what you are trying to achieve withthis signature then

23:58 <struk|desk> it could with open polymorphic variants I guess

23:59 <struk|desk> ok, that's somewhat reassuring