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<Algebr> very annoying when code is up on the forge, makes it hard to fix, send patches
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<Onemorenickname> hi people
<Onemorenickname> i can't understand this error : http://pastebin.com/UNqcVz7x
<Onemorenickname> in my pattern matching, i match all values required
<Algebr> I think smondet answered you yesterday?
<Algebr> did you see that message?
<Onemorenickname> Algebr, I don't have his answer in my history
<Algebr> ah, check the IRC logs
<Onemorenickname> thank you Algebr :)
<Onemorenickname> I was there when he answered, why did my client not print his message ??
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<flux> could be bug in the client.. it's not written in ocaml, is it? ;-)
<Onemorenickname> ha ha flux :D
<Algebr> no idea, I use erc and its pretty reliable
<Algebr> ha
<Onemorenickname> (by the way, thank you smondet)
<flux> I also received the message, btw
<Onemorenickname> (sometimes, you just read the error message 50 times, and can't see the "list" at the end)
<Algebr> it happens
<Algebr> what is the best example app written in lablgtk?
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<Onemorenickname> How can i eta-reduce "let print_tok x = print @@ string_of_to_tokenize @@ tokenizer @@ to_tok x;;
<Onemorenickname> " ? When I drop the x's, I get an error.
<Algebr> I don't think you can do that haskell style thing in OCaml
<Algebr> there's a stackoverflow post explaining why, I forgot the reasoning
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<Onemorenickname> I see, I will try to find it, thanks :)
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<Algebr> well this is sad: apt-cache rdepends liblablgtk2-ocaml
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<reynir> Isn't liblablgtk2-ocaml more for development?
<reynir> I mean, I'm thinking the ocaml parts would be statically linked in
<reynir> unison uses lablgtk and I think that's in the debian repos
<Algebr> I did a rdepends on all the labgtk ones, that one was runtime.
<reynir> apt-cache depends unison-gtk → ... Depends: libgtk2.0-0 ... (and no lib*-ocaml)
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<Algebr> hmm, so is unison the biggest success story?
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<reynir> Uh, I dunno, it was just the first example I could think of that uses lablgtk in the debian repos
<reynir> Can you search for build time dependencies?
<Algebr> no, don't think so
<Algebr> apt doesn't expose that
<Algebr> also this one which is supposedly transitive: apt-rdepends -r liblablgtk2-ocaml
<Algebr> apt-rdepends is some extra perl program
<flux> but you could do it from the apt data in /var
<flux> because apt-get source works without consulting the internet
<flux> hmm, I mean build-dep
<reynir> (One day I should learn more about debian packaging)
<Algebr> infinity0: since you know debian really well and if you have time, can you help us know what is the most popular application that uses liblablgtk2-ocaml?
<Algebr> this more than 5 param splitting in two is a hassle, thinking about just wrapping all params in a record
<reynir> 0install also uses lablgtk
<reynir> heh, maybe it's easiest to search rdepends in opam and check if there's a corresponding package in debian
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<Onemorenickname> I don't know if it's appropriate to ask here : but, any one knows how to comment/uncomment line with the emacs tuareg-mode ?
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<vinoski> Onemorenickname: see the docs for comment-dwim. put the line in a region and hit M-;
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<AltGr> What is the normal way of installing cmx etc. files for libraries with packed modules ?
<AltGr> hm, I guess I'll use subdirectories and findlib's `directory =` directive, although I couldn't find many examples
<Drup> (if you are looking for an example of library using findlib's "directory", there is eliom)
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<Drup> (no idea about the other one, I usually just trust oasis to do the right thing ...)
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<AltGr> thanks
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<rand__> Drup: hey, why is the interface of Eliom_shared.React.S not full?
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<rand__> compared to normal React.S
<Drup> "not full" ?
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<rand__> missing e.g. bind
<rand__> and others
<Drup> nobody got around to implement them, I guess ? :)
<Drup> so it should be complete
<Drup> it seems to be only the server side that is not complete
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<rand__> yes I were thinking of making all my react become client-side until serverside gets fully implemented - can't really mix and match the two (only one-way)
<rand__> .. and when it's only one-way then there is not much point in writing server-side react code if one wants the full interface, or what is your view?
<rand__> I could have a look at extending the serverside eliom_shared.S if I get time though
<Drup> at least please report it
<rand__> mm I will
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<Drup> the goal of Eliom_shared is that you can define stuff with client reactive behaviors on the server, so that you get an initial page and that it works with js disabled
<rand__> mmm and that's cool - but I'm missing the functionality (:
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<rand__> else I need to replace the reactive nodes with js later, and I loose the declarativeness
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<almynic> can someone recommend na ide for ocaml
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<almynic> can someone recommend a ide for ocaml
<almynic> i'm a beginner with ocaml but i'm not a beginner in programming. I already programmed in c, java, c++ and some other languages
<rand__> I can recommend emacs + merlin, but it's also possible to use merlin with vim and I think sublime-text
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<jmasseo> there are a stack of plugins for emacs
<jmasseo> prelude comes with an ocaml mode
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<jmasseo> it has most of the things
<jmasseo> it might be missing merlin or tuareg
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<jmasseo> but you can just add that in
<jmasseo> i mean, it's emacs, so it is what it is. if you've never used it or lisp before, it may be daunting.
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<hannes> do I understand this correctly: Lwt_mutex is a non-recursive lock, and I cannot see whether my task owns it (there is is_locked, and is_empty, but they claim to report the overall state of the mutex, not connected to the task)
<aantron> hannes: believe so
<hannes> hmm, so that's rather useless, isn't it?
<aantron> perhaps. some people found a use for it, but i suppose it's not always the right thing
<aantron> (adding a todo to look into it)
<hannes> ic, thx
<aantron> if you have interest in changing the interface, the current implementation is about 25 lines long. so it shouldn't be hard to edit.. havent given any thoughts to backwards compatibility, though
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<aantron> however im not sure about lwt's notion of a "current task"
<hannes> aantron: my main interest is to solve an actual problem, and waiiting for a lwt release cycle is not an option atm..
<aantron> understood
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<hannes> but thx for confirming my suspicions... having the possiblity to create a recursive lock would help in lots of situations (according to my experience)
<aantron> would still be interested in how you solve it, if you have time to briefly describe it at some later date
<aantron> yep suppose so.. though never needed it in ocaml specifically
<hannes> I'll likely use a Lwt_condition and write more code
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<ocaml908> print_string "hey";;
<ocaml908> hey
<quicquid> :)
<hannes> the problem I want to solve: given a single TCP connection/stream, I want to send data over it from multiple tasks. each send should be finished before another is executed.
<aantron> hello - : unit = ()
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<hannes> and what makes it slightly more complicated that TCP sessions may finish/die, and then there needs to be reconnect logic involved (which should only be run by one task, otherwise I end up with 5 connections)
<ocaml894> hello loves <3
<ocaml908> @hannes use java
<hannes> ocaml908: I guess you're in the wrong channel
<ocaml908> okay sorry, bye :****
<ocaml894> who of you are playing Battlefield 1? oh right i wanted to join the BFxXN0sc0p3Xx360xXx channel
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<Algebr> not quite relevant here...
<Leonidas> agreed
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<aantron> hannes: do you want to do something like have any of these 5 tasks be able to take the mutex if the reconnection logic has to be run, even if they already have taken it for sending?
<hannes> aantron: atm I'd take the mutex before sending, and if sending fails do the reconnect and call send again... but then the mutex is already locked by the task, and I'm not able to lock it again
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<hannes> I plan to run the reconnect logic within the same mutex (to ensure that not 3 tasks try to establish connections)
<hannes> ah, but I can just unlock at the end of reconnect...
<aantron> hannes: one thing about lwt, is that there is no notion of a "task" in a sense that persists across binds
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<aantron> at least afaik :)
<hannes> oh... maybe I should just not use any of those asynchronous things all together ;)
<hannes> I usually fail when it comes to tasks or mutable state
<aantron> it seems like calling send from one loop that also does reconnect would take care of this.. your 5 current "tasks" would generate the values for this loop to consume.. or something is missing?
<hannes> ..from one loop.. would mean a separate Lwt.async task (which loops over a stream/...)?
<aantron> sure. it doesn't actually matter for its operation if it's invoked inside Lwt.async or not
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<hannes> yes/no... it is an option I thought about, but unfortunately the upper interface (which I do not control) has both synchronous and asynchronous behaviour (depending on call site)
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<aantron> i.e. sometimes you need to complete a thread only when the send completes?
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<aantron> you could pass pairs of buffers and Lwt.u's to the loop :)
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<Drup> aantron: I see you have found a new cross to bear :D
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<Drup> (ast cross version compat layer)
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<rand__> wondering if there is a simple way to delay a client computation in an Eliom App until some path is visited (and re-run each time)?
<rand__> like a callback registered at page/path visit in App
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<Denommus> rand__: hm, I would use react to send an event whenever the path is visited, and then map it to the callback
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<Drup> rand__: well, aren't services made for that ?
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<rand__> Drup: yes - but as my services are all registered in main module - all client-side code seems to get run the first time page loads with some service @ App
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<rand__> maybe I've misunderstood; I'm actually supposed to define my client-code to be run inside service creation
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<rand__> can see how that would work
<Drup> `let _ = [%client my_client_code ] in ...` inside your service handler ?
<rand__> I see... just getting confused separating my content creation from my service creation (;
<rand__> .. made some combinators for generating paths with a list of content - therefore it didn't seem obvious
<Drup> Careful code separation is important, even when you have eliom magic :p
<rand__> hehe
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<aantron> Drup: :D
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