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freehck >
People, is there some statistics about GC performance improvement of ocaml.4.04.0 in comparision to ocaml.4.01.0
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freehck >
I've upgraded my projects at my job to be compiled with 4.04.0 and now I must convince my chef that we really need it. :)
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freehck >
s/chef/boss/
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So just looking for arguments.
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no idea, but the language itself is arguably better ;)
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freehck: there are overflows fixed from 01->04, that should be enough
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haesbaert: thank you! added to my list.
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companion_cube: Simon, iirc you told me about atlas modules. Is it an official name? I can't find where they are described. Looking at Google for "ocaml atlas modules"
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you mean module alias
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looks lovely
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rgrinberg >
How did this port add so much code?
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it's not just a port, it also split jsoo into 4 packages
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and move things around a bit, it seems
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flux >
are there some benefits to be had in switching to ocamlbuild? reduced complexity?
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flux >
..to jbuilder from ocamlbuild
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flux: ocamlbuild for jsoo is a pain
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rgrinberg >
Drup: yes, the split into multi opam packages is very welcome
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it's slow, it's annoying to describe a project that has multiple subprojects with inter dependencies
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If nothing else, makes opam look a lot bigger than it is :P
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hhugo tried once already, and gave up, it was just generally worse than raw makefiles
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Drup: s/annoying/impossible/ in some situations
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(this is the reason I am less than entousiastic about topkg by the way: ocamlbuild for projects with multiple subprojects is just insanely annoying)
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so it's maybe just not me who's having trouble with dependencies with ocamlbuild.. :)
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No, it's not just you, it's the tool itself
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oasis is better at this, but it comes at other costs
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Drup: how come there are still a bunch of makefile rules in that PR? E.g. ppx_deriving_json
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does jbuilder work well for projects with C code?
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Or is it still WIP?
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flux: i haven't tried it, but the docs says it's supported
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maybe I should consider it then. I'm getting tired with ocamlbuild -clean..
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I expect core and such have several stubs.c files, and they are built with jbuilder
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flux: cleaning is 1 thing ocamlbuild does well :P
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apparently jbuilder comes with manual pages.. amazing!
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flux: crazy, right
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Drup: if ocamlbuild is a pain what is the better build tool for ocaml?
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Well I know only plain ocmalc/ocamlopt with makefiles and ocamlbuild. Will be interested to look for something more cool than ocamlbuild.
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freehck: I would advise to wait a bit more, if you are not in a hurry
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Drup: is something new and cool being written? :)
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what's wrong with make, though?
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it's not convenient for building OCaml
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companion_cube >
too many rules, too many file formats, too many dynamic dependencies
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building ocaml the compiler, or ocaml projects?
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ocaml projects
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ollehar, looking at the time spent improving the compiler makefile lately: both
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adnotamentum >
Hey, can someone please explain how one uses libraries? How come if I try String.split or List.dedup I get "unbound value" errors?
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adnotamentum: These functions are not present in the standard library. are you trying to use Core?
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adnotamentum >
I guess so tautologico Just trying to split a string.
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mengu >
adnotamentum: String.split_on_char maybe?
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tautologico >
are you taking code from the Real World OCaml book?
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String.split_on_char is in stdlib
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No. No idea what that is. Stack Overflow says to split a string use String.split.
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tautologico >
this is from the newest version though
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adnotamentum >
That explains why it isn't working, I guess
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I think the SO answer you say was probably using functions from Core
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mengu >
that's the one you're referring to
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adnotamentum >
How would I install/use Core?
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mengu >
adnotamentum: which OS?
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mengu >
do you have opam?
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adnotamentum: opam install core
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Linux Mint, and probably not
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it's a good idea to install opam then, it makes it easy to install new libs
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isn't Mint derived from Debian/Ubuntu? If using PPAs from Ubuntu work, there's one with up-to-date opam
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adnotamentum >
Hm, it may be better just to update OCaml
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mengu >
adnotamentum: opam is a package manager for ocaml
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mengu >
so it'd be handy to have it
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Yes, but this coursework has to compile and run on a lecturer's computer so I'm not sure using libraries is a great idea
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adnotamentum: then you should just use String.split_on_char
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if ocaml in the lecturer's computer is not updated though...
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tautologico >
this is the implementation, it calls other functions from the string module (it should work by opening String before)
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adnotamentum >
problem Im trying to solve is converting a string representation of a list into an actual list
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adnotamentum >
i.e. "s,s,s,s,s" --> [s;s;s;s;s]
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adnotamentum >
Split seems quite necessary
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adnotamentum >
Thanks tautologico! I did it by copying and pasting from that github ^-^
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ollehar >
hm, why isn't syntastic run for ml files?
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hannes >
I struggle with ocaml 4.04: man ocamlopt does not list `-color` at all (but `-keep-locs` twice with different docstrings).
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hannes >
furthermore, only "color(always)" has any effect in my _tags, color(auto) does not work at all.. any idea?
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companion_cube >
well, auto will not use colors because the compiler is invoked by ocamlbuild
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companion_cube >
therefore, outside a tty
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hannes >
companion_cube: ic... that's pretty sad :(
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companion_cube >
why? just use color(always)
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hannes >
companion_cube: vim people complain about some of their scripts not coping with colored output
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companion_cube >
does it work with gcc or clang output?
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hannes >
dunno, don't have vim.
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hannes >
(yes, I added color(always) ;)
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companion_cube >
I see
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companion_cube >
the problem is that ocamlbuild itself should decided whether to enable colors :/
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companion_cube >
well the mechanism inside ocamlc looks like this
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companion_cube >
and yes, it would do the trick
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companion_cube >
but you'd need to contriute to ocamlbuild ;)
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companion_cube >
cause I don't have the motivation for that now…
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orbifx >
what should I read about "row types"?
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companion_cube >
papers? :p
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orbifx >
any recommendations? Introductory level
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companion_cube >
try to read stuff about Elm (the prog language, it has a blog)
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orbifx >
not_found expeption companion_cube :P
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companion_cube >
to get the idea
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orbifx >
so wait, records are row types?
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companion_cube >
in elm, yes
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companion_cube >
they are typed with row types
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companion_cube >
in OCaml, it's objects
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orbifx >
ok I need something more than that cause that doesn't shine on the difference
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orbifx >
thanks tautologico
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mrgrieves >
hi, what are my options to browse the documentation (i.e. standard lib) from the cli?
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mengu >
just discovered pattern as label
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companion_cube >
mengu: ocp-browser
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companion_cube >
mrgrieves:*
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mrgrieves >
companion_cube: perfect! thanks
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