<HdkR>
Time to be concerned about how long until Mali is wiped away :/
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<icecream95>
HdkR: Maybe
<icecream95>
it will just be artificially slowed down with `for (int i = 0; i < 100000; ++i);` statements in the driver...
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<HdkR>
That's just a waste of time. Nvidia will just kill it
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<HdkR>
Still questionable if they will care about pushing their desktop chips back down to commodity performance levels that cell phones require.
<HdkR>
Theoretically they could now hit perf/w numbers even if they are more inefficient on average
<HdkR>
(Ampere now hits something like ~400GFLOP/SM)
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<daniels>
HdkR: why would NV kill Mali when it brings in a great deal of revenue and doesn't actually compete with Tegra?
<daniels>
just lop off the top end so you can't put it in datacentre or automotive
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<robmur01>
HdkR: you mean that same Nvidia that gave up on mobile years ago because they couldn't compete on power? :P
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<robmur01>
I'm no expert, but I'd imagine that trying to replace the market leader with something unproven (and tainted by the whiff of previous reputation) because of NIH would be a gift to Arm's direct competitors
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<robmur01>
But obviously I can't comment on the future. Not least because I know f all anyway... first I heard was on the radio news this morning, since I lack the ability to read my work email while asleep :(
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<urjaman>
meanwhile i did a news search after going "the f yall talking about nvidia and mali..." :P
<HdkR>
daniels: I'm highly pessimistic about the whole deal. Especially from a company that said things like "Our future is data center" and "We don't deal in commodity"
<daniels>
I completely agree, their business models are violently opposed, which is why it took me a long time to believe the rumours
<daniels>
but now they've committed, walking away from those would be vandalism - they wouldn't just set fire to an enormous pile of cash by binning Mali and vacating the smartphone/STB/etc markets, and also Cortex-M is a pretty pure definition of commodity
<daniels>
if all they wanted was vertically-integrated DC SKUs, why would they spend $40b on an architecture license?
<HdkR>
I don't believe it'll be an entire binning, but considering most things in the Mali family already conflict with Nvidia internal things, It'll more likely be Nvidia slowly eroding Mali's top end in to Nvidia instead. Where efficiency is "close enough".
<HdkR>
They already tried licensing GPUs a few years ago and nobody took them up on it
<HdkR>
In a post-Ampere, going in to a Hopper world where 2SM designs can be <5w. Easy enough to eat in to the higher end SoC space
<daniels>
totally agree on that, but given an 18-month regulatory approval timeline, and how long it takes to develop & tape out credible LP NV IP, that's quite some distance away
<daniels>
but given that Mali's first high-end design win is the automotive Valhall parts, it's not really much of a change to the industry status quo :P
<HdkR>
hah, I guess so
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<HdkR>
I guesss if ARM gets a bigger R&D and pushes out more fun designs like the Cortex-X1 then it can't be all bad