09:12 <freemint> Good Morning

09:13 <DKordic> Good morning.

09:17 <beneroth> Good morning

09:23 <Regenaxer> Good morning all

11:02 <freemint> A way to print a tree so that all (, ), . remain in place?

11:04 <freemint> like pretty but not tabbing

11:37 <freemint> *knirsch* used json instead

13:05 <razzy> hmm how to make simple relational many to many connection database. 1000 nodes. i know i ask before, but i ran to deadend and forgot advice. scavenging logs proving difficult. now i am taking notes :] without help i am going for simple lists. (node relation node)

13:27 <freemint> razzy we got an irc log

13:29 <freemint> also there is no way we can help you if you tell us "i ran into a dead end" without telling us what problems you experienced

13:30 <freemint> razzy no insult but your questions seem to be constructed to be wastefull of time and non answerable

13:30 <razzy> i ran into management issue and took too much of a bite and too big scale of my relation network

13:32 <razzy> so mine aproach was bad, i abandon it for a bit. and how i want to return to work on much simplified version.

13:42 <razzy> my question would be is it worth it to learn pico DB for 1000 nodes?

13:45 <freemint> (bench (do 10000 (last `(range 1 1000000)))) ?

13:50 <Regenaxer> ret

13:50 <Regenaxer> freemint, how would you want to print the tree?

13:51 <freemint> This tkes rughly a minute on my machine. As long as you do not expect to use n^2 algorithms more than 10000 times on all data in a minute on my poor underclocked netbook you should be fine

13:51 <Regenaxer> Isn't 'view' an option?

13:52 <freemint> (function ((("a" . "b") ("b" . 7)) (("a" . "b") ("b" . 8)) (("a" . "b") ("b" . 9)))) should write just ((("a" . "b") ("b" . 7)) (("a" . "b") ("b" . 8)) (("a" . "b") ("b" . 9)))

13:53 <Regenaxer> Just print it?

13:53 <freemint> oh print

13:54 <Regenaxer> What did you try?

13:54 <freemint> not prinl, prin or whatever i tried all of them and forget about 'print

13:54 <Regenaxer> ah

13:54 <Regenaxer> :)

13:55 <Regenaxer> For some reason typical programs use prin[l] more often than print[ln][sp]

13:57 <freemint> printsp?

13:57 <razzy> freemint: thx, that answer my question how long it will take without use of pilDB

13:58 <freemint> razzy you might what to read http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html in your free time. I often reread it too. Reading that document make it more likely to get answers and anny less people.

13:59 <freemint> razzy how long did it take for you?

13:59 <freemint> on your machine?

13:59 <razzy> 30s

13:59 <razzy> but i will propably have less nodes

14:00 <razzy> so likely 0.3s without pilDB

14:00 <razzy> which i can live with

14:01 <freemint> if you use an n^2 algorithm over all nodes 1000 and do 100 queries it will take 0.3s

14:03 <razzy> is it a question? answer?

14:04 <freemint> it is a correction

14:04 <razzy> i kind of want to know if pilDB offer some improvements

14:04 <razzy> cool thx

14:05 <freemint> Yes... it has some: content stored in pilIO, it comes with index types that are nice to work with, you can work with more data than fits in ram.

14:05 <freemint> Regenaxer: did i forget any?

14:06 <freemint> you also add these features to your normal of disk programm but then you write your own db

14:06 <razzy> from time-performance perspective?

14:07 <freemint> When all you data fits in RAM flat pilIO files are faster when you build the appropiate index structures yourself

14:08 <Regenaxer> One more advantage is that it directly maps to the GUI

14:08 <razzy> pilIO files?

14:08 <Regenaxer> PLIO

14:09 <Regenaxer> the data format

14:09 <freemint> (in "file" (rd)) and (out "file" (pr stuff))

14:10 <freemint> oh and pilDB also offers sync between family members

14:11 <Regenaxer> T, plio is used for all interprocess communi

14:11 <Regenaxer> cation

14:26 <razzy> hm, thx. it seems no performance benefit for so small network as i would have.

14:28 <freemint> If you see me in the next 2 weeks here remember me that i should not be here. No matter what i tell you

14:30 <razzy> interesting

14:32 <freemint> Regenaxer: acknowledged?

14:32 <razzy> freemint: i will try :]

14:47 <Regenaxer> OK, you should not be here