<yunfan>
aw-: thanks to your foreign tourist, we could have a international airport as a very poor region
<yunfan>
i remember western tourist had come since 1990s
<aw->
yunfan: yes and thanks to UNESCO
<aw->
黄山
<aw->
same as Japanese "Yellow Mountain"
<aw->
yunfan: do you need to buy farmland? what is the process to obtain it?
<yunfan>
aw-: btw, is it really that canadian could just cross the us-ca border like that acts in the tv seris "sillicon vallay"
<aw->
haha yes, but we need a passport still
<yunfan>
aw-: well, in china, theorty we couldnt BUY farmland for all of the land belongs to china goverment
<yunfan>
but still we could rent for a very long time like 50 years
<yunfan>
its almost lifetime
<aw->
ok that's what I was wondering
<yunfan>
and if you want to do that, you could find some village, and its manager, make the contract
<yunfan>
aw-: that's why i'd prefer to migrate to australia, i like private farmland
<aw->
do you know what is the price (approx) for maybe.. 4000sqm ?
<yunfan>
aw-: i'd just happend to rent 50 Mu these month for 20 years
<aw->
what is Mu ?
<yunfan>
Mu is chinese acre equals to 667 sqm
<yunfan>
1 HA is about 15 Mu
<yunfan>
in china , we sold land by this unit
<aw->
1 HA is like.. 1 Acre I guess?
<yunfan>
and the price is 200 Yuan per year, so for 20 years its 4000 per 667 sqm
<aw->
hmm no i think i'm wrong
<yunfan>
no, 1 hecta is about 2 acre
<yunfan>
i often search famrland in the website, these ratio is familliar to me :D
<aw->
yunfan: oh great, thanks for the conversion you saved me some time
<yunfan>
aw-: but, that's just my hometown
<aw->
ok let's see.. so 50 Mu would be how many Acres?
<aw->
oh (* 667 50)
<yunfan>
aw-: i'd join a mordern argriculture chatting group of china, someone from shandong province need to rent the land for 1000 yuan per Mu for a year
<yunfan>
they grow potato and sell to korean and japanese
<aw->
wow
<aw->
that price is sooo cheap for the land
<yunfan>
aw-: and if you go north, very far north, to the inner mongolia, it only cost you 20 yuan for a Mu , but which is grassland
<aw->
not agricultural..
<yunfan>
aw-: really? isnt your country had the cheaper land?
<aw->
perhaps in Canada it's cheap, you can own the land, but nobody wants to live in the places where it's cheap ;)
<aw->
too cold
<aw->
probably comparable to Harbin
<aw->
or colder
<yunfan>
aw-: that's a problem, so i prefer australia, thought its drier
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<yunfan>
aw-: btw, consider the chinese currecy's exchange rate tendacy,. its no doubt that the land renting would cost you more in future
<aw->
right right
<yunfan>
also you forget that its not belong to private, so goverment might take that from you randomly. i am afrid of that
<aw->
if you can have successful crops in short time then it can become quite profitable
<yunfan>
what's the price of that in japan?
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<yunfan>
yes, under such policy, people tend to focus on shortime profit
<aw->
haha yeah that's the risk, so you need to rest your profits in a economically stable foreign country
<aw->
yunfan: price of land in Japan is astronomically high
<yunfan>
aw-: i heard from news that there'were many small village in japan need farmers?
<aw->
and i think less than 20% can be used for agriculture
<aw->
yes there is a major shortage because "younger" Japanese people don't learn farming, they move to big cities to work
<yunfan>
well i wish my hometown;s younger could study from the japanese
<aw->
there's one or two generations of non-farmers, so there's a huge demand for that
<yunfan>
in that case, the land would be much more cheaper :D
<aw->
i think Japanese govnt is trying to encourage foreigners to move to countryside and work on farms
<aw->
but there's a big difference "working on a farm" and "working on YOUR farm"
<aw->
if you can't get the profits, there's no point. I feel that way for regular office jobs as well ;)
<aw->
perhaps it's just good for learning, then go back to home country and spread the knowledge
<yunfan>
well, its really a good things for us japan arround countries
<yunfan>
as i mentioned a friend of mine grwo potato and sell to them
<yunfan>
they have labour shortage problem which rise all of the price
<yunfan>
though china would met that problem in this decade too
<aw->
yeah but it's probably better for Japan if Japan didn't import so much
<aw->
potatoes are a good choice I think
<aw->
they are really expensive here compared to our Canadian potatoes
<aw->
yunfan: what do you plan to grow on your land?
<yunfan>
aw-: unfortunatelly my hometown is note suitable for growing potato, its better for sweet potato
<yunfan>
aw-: its my father who were running the farm currently, he want to make a entertainment farm
<yunfan>
aw-: for me, i want to grow any offgrid corps for preparing for the incoming food crisis
<yunfan>
yesterday i just happend to know Canna edulis Ker is very suit for this purpose
<aw->
sweet potato! that's great, I love it, and so healthy
<aw->
what are offgrid crops?
<yunfan>
aw-: a lots of chinese dislike it because in the 1960 famine, they eat it too much
<aw->
hmmm.. I'm not familiar with it
<yunfan>
aw-: many of the high production corps today require professional company to do breeding
<yunfan>
if the econemy collapsed like my worried, there would be very hard to got these breeded seed or saple
<aw->
ohhh ok that's what you meant by "off grid"
<aw->
self sufficient
<yunfan>
a offgrid is those dont require this and wont degenerated after generations of growing
<yunfan>
yes
<aw->
right right
<aw->
you need heirloom seeds
<yunfan>
bingo
<yunfan>
and i had study on this, lotus is really an important seeds that you should take everywhere
<aw->
right
<yunfan>
they could be storage for thousands of years
<aw->
yunfan: you have a GREAT plan, super interesting
<yunfan>
aw-: i prefer to read chinese history, and in that history i read many of the loop of our faith
<yunfan>
posperous -> decline -> posprous ...
<aw->
your approach is the best IMO, much better than trying to make quick profits and following trends
<aw->
yunfan: can you point to something specific I can read about that?
<yunfan>
aw-: you said you dont know the famine in china at 1960s
<yunfan>
you could do some search on google
<aw->
yes i know about that
<aw->
i thought you had much older history on that subject
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<yunfan>
aw-: there s a book about chinese history which is just like greeks "history"
<yunfan>
and since you were in japan, you could found it cause its chinese culture relevant
<yunfan>
it recorded many years that famine caused people eating people
<aw->
oh i'm certain there are many books on the topic, I was hoping you could suggest one specific book ;)
<yunfan>
and the japanese like the story of three kingdoms, in that history, china lost about 80% of the population
<yunfan>
aw-: yes there is one specific book, but i dont know if ithas english version
<yunfan>
i had the chinese version on my webdisk
<yunfan>
if you could read in chinese i coukd send it to you
<aw->
i can read some chinese characters
<aw->
can you write the name here? i'll search for it
<yunfan>
ok the book name is -中国食人史
<aw->
in English i would translate that to: China food person use
<aw->
wait, is it the China Study?
<yunfan>
also that chinese history book name is 史记
<aw->
hmmm ok i will search
<yunfan>
it requre you to have ancient chinese reading skill
<aw->
ohhh. chinese food history
<aw->
yunfan: do you know when the book was written/published?
<yunfan>
maybe you could also check 春秋 and 战国策 many of the stories on them is the origin root of chinese culture
<yunfan>
like why china goverment were so insist on growing food ourself
<yunfan>
because in history there is a kingdom use trading to make the enemy give up growing their own and finally caused famine
<aw->
yeah... i've heard of that
<yunfan>
aw-: except the first one . all others were written by ancient chinese throunds years ago
<aw->
yunfan: 食人史 in english translates to "cannibalism" but i think that's a mistake?
<yunfan>
its close
<yunfan>
i think its name shoukd be history record about cannibalism in china
<aw->
ok ok, i think i found it
<aw->
thanks!
<yunfan>
i need to back home by riding. will back in 20 minutes
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<yunfan>
back
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<aw->
yunfan: sorry was afk. Nice talking about this stuff. thanks
<aw->
back to PicoLisp now ;)
<yunfan>
aw-: ok
<yunfan>
aw-: i am also afk too much time
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<yunfan>
just watching the microtractor from OSE
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