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<beneroth> Good morning
<Regenaxer> Hi beneroth!
<Regenaxer> Good you visited #penti too :)
<beneroth> Hi Regenaxer :)
<beneroth> I am a penti user :)
<beneroth> a pentist?
<Regenaxer> Yep :)
<beneroth> lets make every dentist into a pentist
<Regenaxer> But not a Penntist
<beneroth> there appears to be a dentist school in penn https://www.instagram.com/explore/tags/penntist/
<Regenaxer> haha :)
<beneroth> I didn't know that any towns named Penn exist. sounds like lovely verpennte städtchen :)
<beneroth> the numbers of puns is too damn high.
<Regenaxer> true
<Regenaxer> In any case it is good if more people join #penti, as otherwise it is too embarrassing ;)
<beneroth> bah. you should just admit that #picolisp grows too large so you founded another super-tiny community ;-)
<Regenaxer> small is beautiful
<beneroth> yesterday evening it was 37 people in here. well some double accounts.
<beneroth> agreed.
<beneroth> you can float the channel with puns without annoying too many people. at least without interrupting their chatting.
<beneroth> :P
<Regenaxer> T :)
<Regenaxer> bbl
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<freemint> beneroth, and the sub communities can be split down in to individuals which are an community of personalities
<beneroth> divide et impera
<beneroth> fractals :)
<Regenaxer> ret
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<freemint> is picolisp just locally acid or also when you do a distributed db?
<Regenaxer> yes, but needs more work
<Regenaxer> I have it even across mobiles (PilBox) which are temporarily offline
<Regenaxer> It is up to you (as ever in pil! ;)
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<freemint> Have you thought about "PicoLisp DB + Pilog is an informal, "bug ridden" reimplementation of half Datalog. (not really bug ridden, but Greenspun s Law reference )
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<freemint> what do you mean by needs more work?
<Regenaxer> You must take care of it
<Regenaxer> protocols
<Regenaxer> In the GUI either the central server or the mobile has write permission
<Regenaxer> tasks replicate in both direction
<Regenaxer> etc
<Regenaxer> @bin/ssl
<Regenaxer> The data model must know about it
<Regenaxer> I have some objects which are split in two DBs
<Regenaxer> RPC commands to send certain messages
<Regenaxer> But your question is a bit meaningless. Why would one build a system that is *not* consistent?
<freemint> people do that ... for example to trade for higher availability at Google promising eventual consistency
<Regenaxer> well, "eventual" is what I have only. As mobiles may be offline any time
<freemint> you are right, of course
<freemint> Was it mongodb which was non consistent?
<Regenaxer> I don't know
<Regenaxer> Anyway it is an interesting field :)
<beneroth> MongoDb was not consistent
<Regenaxer> Is it meaningful then?
<Regenaxer> usable?
<Regenaxer> Some convention is needed
<beneroth> most NoSQL distributed databases are not consistent in the ACID sense. though ACID is actually about transaction, and many/most distributed databases throw transactions over board (at least at beginning)
<beneroth> well at least 2 companies got bankrupt because they used MongoDB and their data was corrupted (bitcoin trading hubs)
<Regenaxer> oh
<beneroth> I have a good book for you, if you like to read about how other people do it, Regenaxer
<beneroth> epub/pdf
<beneroth> there are some use cases where dropping consistency in favour of availability might be ok. e.g large-scale log-collecting & analysis
<Regenaxer> hmm, I'm afraid I don't have the patience currently ;)
<beneroth> ok, then I will send it to you another time or try to make a summary eventually ;)
<Regenaxer> I solved all problems I have with my current application
<beneroth> I'm sure :)
<Regenaxer> what remains is just a lot of standard work
<Regenaxer> (many classes and reports)
<Regenaxer> :)
<beneroth> freemint, datalog is comparable with pilog. its not so much about distributed db.
<beneroth> Regenaxer, nice. I see :)
<beneroth> bbl
<freemint> could't you write some PicoLisp to write those classes for you?
<Regenaxer> I'll show you, as you know
<freemint> ;)
<Regenaxer> freemint, not really
<Regenaxer> no systematics
<freemint> aww, to bad
<Regenaxer> Nothing difficult, I can re-use 90% of the existing application
<Regenaxer> This app is in use since 2001 and grew over the years
<Regenaxer> My oldest customer
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<freemint> but not in a code bloat way, am i right?
<freemint> ahh
<Regenaxer> hmm, a very little bit of bloat meanwhile, one more reason to rewrite it
<Regenaxer> Mostly parts which are no longer used
<freemint> Nice if it ends up smaller than before
<Regenaxer> uh, unfortunately not
<Regenaxer> The problem is that the same modules must be on he central server and on PilBox
<freemint> well then i hope it fits the business better than before
<Regenaxer> And enabled/disabled according to certain states
<Regenaxer> ok, yes
<Regenaxer> They absolutely needed a mobile version
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<Regenaxer> bbl
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<freemint> Funklöcher
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