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<freemint> hey i just found out that fedora (which installed on my new laptop) does not come with a picolisp package anymore.
<freemint> (Fedora 29)
<freemint> Regenaxer, is there a penti for linux?
<Regenaxer> Perhaps the same problem as it was on Ubuntu
<Regenaxer> There was a penti kernel patch
<freemint> kernel patch for penti???
<Regenaxer> Not a patch. I modified the evdev driver
<Regenaxer> outdated meanwhile
<freemint> are these comments related to 1. pil on fedora or 2. penti on linux
<Regenaxer> ?
<freemint> i am confused what you are talking about.
<Regenaxer> You asked two questions at the same time
<freemint> yes
<Regenaxer> So I answered two questions
<freemint> and i can not entangle which part addresses which question
<freemint> is "the same problem as on ubuntu" the penti kernel patch?
<freemint> (if @ (prinl "nothing makes sense") (prinl "everything makes sense"))
<Regenaxer> freemint, think a little. I answered while you were asking the second question. Answered thus in the same sequence
<Regenaxer> And why should the kernel patch be some "same problem"
<Regenaxer> ?
<freemint> am trying to act dumber in public than i really have to.
<Regenaxer> :)
<freemint> I initially read Perhaps .... and There .... as one answer to the first question and was confused that none to the second arrived
<Regenaxer> No worries
<freemint> So penti for linux need a driver patch, why?
<Regenaxer> How else would you do it?
<Regenaxer> Linux has no way to write a keyboard driver in user space as in Android
<Regenaxer> At least I don't know of any
<Regenaxer> Thats about connecting a hardware keyboard, no?
<Regenaxer> hid
<Regenaxer> I used the numpad for penti
<freemint> hid stands for human interface device - i look into it
<Regenaxer> T
<Regenaxer> an usb layer
<Regenaxer> iirc
<Regenaxer> I don't want to carry extra penti hardware. Did that with the old one originally
<Regenaxer> (as on my mastodon/twitter picts)
<freemint> so you use a numpad to penti?
<Regenaxer> No longer
<Regenaxer> 5 years ago perhaps
<Regenaxer> But what I indeed do occasionally is using my Android device with Penti as an external keyboard to a Linux machine under X11
<freemint> hehe when i asked penti 4 linux i ment onscreen penti since my laptop has multitouch
<Regenaxer> Yes, would be nice, but I don't know how to implement it
<freemint> it is a thinkpad yoga so i can fold it oer and use it as tablet
<Regenaxer> Perhaps possible, similarly to the way above, "Android device with Penti as an external keyboard"
<Regenaxer> I do it with this script: http://ix.io/1zNB
<Regenaxer> it is named "keys", and I ssh to the Linux machine and start it
<Regenaxer> Then the X window with the current focus gets the keys
<Regenaxer> Works very well
<freemint> so i do not understand the magic trick yet
<Regenaxer> It uses an X tool
<Regenaxer> "xdotool"
<Regenaxer> must be installed on Linux
<freemint> so you connect via ssh and the scripts run on the x11 machine, and keys recieved via ssh during the script running (ignoring the escaping issues) are send to x11
<Regenaxer> right
<Regenaxer> So I just *type* on the Android device
<Regenaxer> all output appears in the current X window (xterm etc)
<freemint> not the most efficient way to stuff but atleast the communication happns encrypted
<Regenaxer> What's "to stuff"?
<freemint> ich dachte (Daten) zu stopfen
<Regenaxer> ah, yes
<freemint> abschätiger Ausdruck daten in pipes zu füllen
<Regenaxer> Why not efficient?
<freemint> keine Ahnung ob es andere auch so verwenden
<Regenaxer> You must be a *very* fast Pentiist
<freemint> why is it not found
<Regenaxer> software-lab.de/...
<freemint> But it is indexed that way on picolisp.org
<freemint> *com
<Regenaxer> On which page?
<freemint> when you search there for call you get the SRC which works and the REF which links me to this
<freemint> when i put call in the search box in the upper right corner
<freemint> efficient in terms of resources on the x11 machine side. I thought running everything through a call is less efficient than a native. But honestly i was a little over reacting
<Regenaxer> REF, yes, not sure where that does come from
<Regenaxer> wiki/gui.l
<Regenaxer> I don't remember if I did this
<freemint> who else might have done it?
<freemint> a vcs would be nice here git blame :)
<Regenaxer> Several people changed this
<Regenaxer> hehe, right
<Regenaxer> It was 27mar16abu
<Regenaxer> But perhap I received the change from Erik Gustavson
<Regenaxer> Probably, as this is not my style
<Regenaxer> (unless (cdr Syms) followed by (if (cdr Syms)
<Regenaxer> I would always use the else part of an 'ifn'
<Regenaxer> I think he tested locally, where it would work as the docs are installed under "@doc/..."
<freemint> will you remove it, having a searchable doc is a good idea
<Regenaxer> Must be fixed then
<Regenaxer> Link in search results works now
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<freemint> Regenaxer, it works for me too
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<Regenaxer> ok, thanks
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<beneroth> hi all
<Regenaxer> Hi beneroth
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