15:30 <Seteeri> I was reading about the reasons for writing pil64 in asm instead of C, and I was wondering - are there still advantages to writing pil21 in llvm IR vs C?

15:31 <Regenaxer> yes, the same

15:31 <Regenaxer> Carry flag, stack control

15:32 <Regenaxer> you can get the stack pointer in llvm-ir, and then set it again

15:33 <Regenaxer> (stack) (stack P) in PilSrc

15:33 <Seteeri> llvm (ssa more specifically) also seems more convenient than pure asm

15:33 <Regenaxer> Not sure. At least it is almost impossible to read

15:34 <Regenaxer> But the generated asm is OK again

15:34 <Regenaxer> and quite efficient

15:34 <Seteeri> I was reading this article: https://releases.llvm.org/1.1/docs/Stacker.html#lessons

15:34 <Regenaxer> What is stacker?

15:35 <Seteeri> It was a toy language used for understanding llvm ir

15:35 <Regenaxer> I see

15:35 <Seteeri> like a forth :)

15:36 <Regenaxer> I suspected so, due to the stack terminology

15:37 <Regenaxer> "everything is a value" maps well to Lisp (PilSrc)

15:37 <Seteeri> or everything is an atom?

15:37 <Seteeri> or list...

15:38 <Regenaxer> yes, which are also values

15:38 <Seteeri> I tried to get pilos running on the pi but it hangs somewhere in main

15:38 <Seteeri> it runs fine on qemu

15:38 <Regenaxer> I'm sure you find the reason :)

15:39 <Seteeri> I've been studying the arm manuals and bare metal examples, and tried configuring the system registers in various ways but no go

15:40 <Seteeri> it might be the mmu but it *should* run without it on

15:41 <Regenaxer> tough

15:41 <Seteeri> i saw the recent test on risc-v

15:41 <Seteeri> might try risc-v lol

15:42 <Seteeri> i also realized this would help with porting to wasm (since similar to "bare metal" environment)

15:42 <Regenaxer> Same kind of problems probably

15:42 <Regenaxer> in risc-v

15:42 <Seteeri> that's what im thinking

15:43 <Seteeri> and then i dont have physical hw to test it

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