<aw->
tankf33der: does pil21 compile from source on Debian 10 with default llvm and clang?
<aw->
Regenaxer: hi, i'm wondering if pil21 compiles with llvm-7 (default on Debian 10)
<aw->
because if not, then you need to update the INSTALL document to explain to use llvm-8 for the build
<Regenaxer>
Hi aw-! Yes, llvm7 is ok. I had it on an older server (updated meanwhile)
<Regenaxer>
Now Debian Sid, is it 10?
<Regenaxer>
works as it is
<aw->
no
<aw->
debian sid is unstable
<Regenaxer>
yes, but Buster?
<aw->
Debian 10 is Buster
<Regenaxer>
I wanted to say I have Buster + Sid on all machines
<aw->
ok good
<aw->
a few months ago it required llvm-8
<aw->
so i was just asking if that was changed
<Regenaxer>
I think it always worked on >= 7
<aw->
hmmm
<aw->
maybe tankf33der can confirm
<aw->
fresh install of Debian 10 buster w/ llvm-7
<Regenaxer>
yes, he has best oversight
<Regenaxer>
On Sid it is llvm11 meanwhile
<aw->
Sid is always on the latest
<Regenaxer>
yep
<aw->
i'm looking into Forth now btw
<Regenaxer>
Good thing
<aw->
i quickly grew tired of Rust, it's really a shit language
<aw->
i don't know what kind of people enjoy torturing themselves with such a language and complexity
<Regenaxer>
haha
<Regenaxer>
I never looked at Rust
<aw->
and for my needs now i just want something simple and easy for working directly with hardware
<aw->
Forth seems a perfect fit
<Regenaxer>
I think so to
<Regenaxer>
Optimally close to the hardware
<Regenaxer>
You write "valve1 100 motor on"
<Regenaxer>
or 100 valve1 !
<aw->
Regenaxer: you worked with Forth in the past?
<Regenaxer>
yes
<aw->
no anymore? why did you jump to Lisp?
<Regenaxer>
It is easier for complex programs
<Regenaxer>
and Forth makes most sense on 8-bit CPUs I think
<aw->
i see
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<Regenaxer>
Forth is very elegant, but tedious to keep track of the stacks or larger functions ("words")
<beneroth>
aw-, Rust is considered overly complicated? interesting!
<beneroth>
makes it sound like C++ & Haskell theoreticians had a too good run designing it?
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<aw->
beneroth: can you relate to this sentence? "Programming in PicoLisp is fun!"
<f8l>
Some prefer to be tortured with languages to being tortured with debugging. In some cases (space missions, drivers for medical devices) one just can’t afford the latter.
<aw->
f8l: yes exactly, there's a specific target audience for languages like Rust and Haskell
<beneroth>
aw-, absolutely. PicoLisp ruined all other languages for me (except maybe short(!!!) dives into C/C++)
<beneroth>
f8l, T. select the tool according to the task.
<beneroth>
s/according/appropriate
<f8l>
I find Rust interesting due to its performance and similarities to Standard ML. It seems not to be as rigorous as Coq, but at least gives some correctness guarantees without having to prove them separately.
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