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<tankf33der> hi all
<tankf33der> llvm12 rc1 released and (stem) still failing.
<Regenaxer> Hi tankf33der!
<Regenaxer> You know what exactly fails?
<tankf33der> llvm12 final will be available at march.
<tankf33der> (stem (1 2 3) 2)
<Regenaxer> Strange
<tankf33der> it returns (1 2 3) should (3)
<Regenaxer> nothing special in 'stem' I think
<Regenaxer> only cell operations
<Regenaxer> Would be interesting to know which statement in '_stem' exactly fails
<Regenaxer> This would then also fail in other places
<tankf33der> it only failing with -O3 in opt run
<Regenaxer> mk
<Regenaxer> ok
<Regenaxer> I would say this statement fails: (equal (car L) (car P))
<Regenaxer> Equality check of numbers?
<tankf33der> optimizer do something wrong.
<Regenaxer> I see, yes
<Regenaxer> some check in comparison fails
<Regenaxer> ok, nothing we can do
<tankf33der> i will keep eye on llvm
<Regenaxer> good
<Regenaxer> If it is not fixed in march, we should file a bug report
<Regenaxer> It is also possible that PilSrc produces some code which is not 100% legal
<tankf33der> all open issues about opt.
<Regenaxer> uh, lots
<Regenaxer> rob_w, concerning our discussion yesterday: I searched around a little, and found the proposal ti install bind9 and add "nameserver 127.0.0.1" to /etc/resolv.conf
<Regenaxer> What do you think?
<rob_w> well then we still need to tell bind9 who the real one is .. i did think of that too, get a alternative resolver to ship around the current
<Regenaxer> hmm
<Regenaxer> So the problem is just postponed
<rob_w> why was that proposed .. did they talk about "your" issue in a sense ?
<Regenaxer> yes
<Regenaxer> delay in DNS
<Regenaxer> with IPv6 issue
<rob_w> did you safe the quote url ? can i look at it
<Regenaxer> let me find
<Regenaxer> I also tried "add `options timeout:1' to /etc/resolv.conf"
<Regenaxer> but helped only a little
<Regenaxer> was faster sometimes, but still did not succeed at all sometimes
<Regenaxer> To all: This is about the DNS problems I wrote in the mailing list
<Regenaxer> Still only solved via a hack in /etc/hosts
<Regenaxer> rob_w and me experimented a little yesterday by phone
<rob_w> well so this link talks exactly what we talk ...
<Regenaxer> yeah
<Regenaxer> even the 5 seconds match
<rob_w> did the timeout:1 not work correclty too ?
<rob_w> so is your timeout still bigger ?
<Regenaxer> sometimes it did. Reply was 1 sec
<Regenaxer> but I think it failed several times and gave up
<Regenaxer> Does have bind9 its own config? So e.g. put 8.8.8.8 there?
<Regenaxer> Still frustrating
<Regenaxer> DomainFactory should handle it correctly
<Regenaxer> *they* set up the defauld Debian config
<Regenaxer> *default
<rob_w> trying to read into bind9 ...but its a full dns instead of the ip resolv.conf scenario
<Regenaxer> T
<Regenaxer> a bit frightening
<Regenaxer> I don't want to start a big machinery
<rob_w> i acatually would love to test the v6 disable once
<Regenaxer> Totally disabling v6 also sounds like a dirty hack
<rob_w> dont say dirty .. it is consequnce .. also to protect against your hosters non-v6 support
<Regenaxer> We should only disable name lookup
<Regenaxer> hmm, true
<rob_w> but i actully want to understand some more internals abour resolv.conf
<Regenaxer> me too
<rob_w> it is the smallest approach ( and i like those most) .. but there it seems your system finds some broken details
<rob_w> gai.conf is not related to DNS but how the OS presents IP addresses back to applications, if it favors IPv6 or IPv4 first
<rob_w> but your gai.conf is unused , right ?
<Regenaxer> it is empty kind of
<Regenaxer> There is a option "inet6" in "man resolv.conf"
<Regenaxer> though it is deprecated
<Regenaxer> What is an "AAAA query"?
<Regenaxer> not good probably
<rob_w> this is the a actual ipv6 record
<rob_w> wait ..
<rob_w> inet6 option is maybe a try
<rob_w> it is a "transitional" option to make "old" gethostbyname translate into ipv6 and later get replaced by only getaddrinfo() calls
<Regenaxer> I says "Some programs behave strangely when this option is turned on"
<rob_w> but we would disable that too .. which is your case , right ? we dont have it set
<Regenaxer> yes
<rob_w> but your problem is actuallyt that scenrio .. it feels like your system prefers v6 ( dies horrible) and then "maybe" v4 dns
<Regenaxer> The /etc/hosts solution is hacky. E also needed to add ftp.debian.de and security.debian.de etc
<rob_w> so someone is doing exactly that priorisation
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<rob_w> well we should make some tests with "options debug" .. for a start ;-)
<rob_w> then this resolver should tell us some more about him
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<Regenaxer> hmm
<rob_w> thats a good one too .. long answer .. save that url for later use !
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<rob_w> i believe that answer contains our goal !
<rob_w> we can chat later on about it ..
<rob_w> single-request-reopen as option , that should be a try, too
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<Regenaxer> Cool
<Regenaxer> Yes, sorry, was interrupted
<Regenaxer> hmm, all that is a mess
<Regenaxer> "options single-request-reopen" ändert nichts
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<Regenaxer> oops
<Regenaxer> "options single-request-reopen" doesn't help
<Regenaxer> I think first of all we must find the real, exact point that goes wrong
<rob_w> did you also add debug .. then syslog might show more
<Regenaxer> Will do a little later
<Regenaxer> ret
<Regenaxer> Well, with "options debug" it blocks completely
<rob_w> and no addtional message at all ?
<rob_w> need to check syslog
<Regenaxer> yes, nothing happened in syslog
<rob_w> your resolvd is dirty
<Regenaxer> Dirty in which way?
<Regenaxer> the conf file?
<rob_w> in a ugly way .. why would it do all that
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<Regenaxer> I give up for now
<Regenaxer> Let's see what happens
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<m_mans> Hi all!
<Regenaxer> Hi m_mans!
<m_mans> Regenaxer: how are you?
<Regenaxer> Thanks, fine! :)
<m_mans> Could you suggest, where I can download experimental version with template support?
<Regenaxer> It is already standard
<Regenaxer> in pil21
<m_mans> wow, ok!
<m_mans> Thanks
<Regenaxer> Good if you try and experiment with it!
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