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<aw->
err wtf
<aw->
(07:54:39) ChanServ left the room (quit: Killed (grumble (My fellow staff so-called 'friends' are about ▒ │lodsw │
<aw->
│to hand over account data to a non-staff member. If you care about your data, drop your NickServ account ▒ │mario-goulart │
<aw->
│NOW before that happens.))).
<aw->
oops sorry my copy/paste failed
<Regenaxer>
Hi aw- :)
<aw->
hi
<aw->
did you see that message from ChanServ?
<Regenaxer>
No, only in your paste
<aw->
wait let me re-paste it correct
<aw->
(07:54:39) ChanServ left the room (quit: Killed (grumble (My fellow staff so-called 'friends' are about to hand over account data to a non-staff member. If you care about your data, drop your NickServ account NOW before that happens.))).
<Regenaxer>
e-mail troubles, matrix not mature, and whatnot
<mtsd>
Sigh... what a mess.
<Regenaxer>
:)
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<beneroth>
argh, noooo
<beneroth>
aw-, thanks for the link
<beneroth>
WTF the amount of drama & games is insane
<beneroth>
so stupid
<beneroth>
so Regenaxer, in case freenodes becomes suddenly unavailable or under commercial control, we move to jitsi and inform on ML and then look if we can re-establish the IRC-channel on another IRC server/network or setup our own host.
<Regenaxer>
yeah
<beneroth>
I'd guess nothing will happen but good to have an eye on it. Thanks aw-
<Regenaxer>
or, even better, Matrix :)
<beneroth>
matrix can bridge IRC I believe
<beneroth>
I'm happy with my IRC client :)
<Regenaxer>
yes, me too
<Regenaxer>
I tried IRC in Matrix, but it messed up the Nicks
<Regenaxer>
so I gave up
<beneroth>
yeah I'm not yet convinced of matrix. good approach, certainly, but the KISS is in the details
<Regenaxer>
yes
<Regenaxer>
too early perhaps
<Regenaxer>
I really like the decentral nature of Matrix
<aw->
i'm cool with Matrix once it's more mature
<aw->
my client works well with most protocols so anything is fine actually.. even jabber
<beneroth>
I miss the old jitsi (which was a skype-clone on jabber, worked very well for a time)
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<beneroth>
ah noez
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<beneroth>
I'm iddling in our PilCon jitsi chat. for chat, not talk.
<Regenaxer>
:)
<Regenaxer>
I can't atm, busy with btg
<mtsd>
I'll check in, just a moment
<beneroth>
join channel #freenode to watch the burndown
<beneroth>
sad :/
<Regenaxer>
mtsd, will you show your skeleton again tomorrow?
<mtsd>
I'm not sure I have the time, unfortunately. This week is crazy...
<Regenaxer>
No worry!
<Regenaxer>
Same here
<beneroth>
who will update our community page? just to increase the freenode news if anything
<beneroth>
I mean on our wiki
<Regenaxer>
Yes, right
<beneroth>
from #freenode channel: staff have, as I understand it, collectively decided to continue the network at libera.chat
<beneroth>
I would want to learn more about that before settling there
<aw->
well here we go
<aw->
we should look into this more seriously
<aw->
beneroth: jitsi for chat sounds like a bad idea though
<aw->
i mean.. what protocol does it use?
<aw->
do we *need* the jitsi client or web ui to access it?
<aw->
if yes then that's a deal breaker for me
<beneroth>
aw-, yeah this is only usable for emergency kinda, T
<beneroth>
we surely settle on another IRC network within a few days. or host our own.
<beneroth>
aw-, mobile jitsi app might be usable?
<aw->
beneroth: no, it's a deal breaker
<aw->
i use Linux to chat
<aw->
not mobile
<aw->
can't bare looking at my mobile for more than 5 minutes
<aw->
battery dies, etc
<beneroth>
ok I see
<beneroth>
better idea how to coordinate before new IRC home is settled?
<beneroth>
besides ML
<Regenaxer>
Android Jitsi chat makes trouble with Penti
<beneroth>
ah right, damn.
<aw->
well if everyone is comfortable switch to libera.chat, then just do that and change the topic on freenode #picolisp
<aw->
no need to rush though
<beneroth>
I'd like to check out what the situation/ownership with libera ist, but yes, I expect this is how it will be
<beneroth>
we can surely create a picolisp channel there and then update our community page & ML once we're settled
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, can you get our channel OP online? to change the topic?
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<Regenaxer>
Probably, though I forgot. Not now, just talking with customer
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, I know you know the guys contacts. I forgot who it was, I just know that nobody active here has the rights ;-)
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<beneroth>
Regenaxer, kk
<beneroth>
I'll make a post on our ML later
<Regenaxer>
I *think* I have the rights
<Regenaxer>
But rob_w did it, and knows better
<Regenaxer>
seems away now
<beneroth>
yeah I meant rob_w
<Regenaxer>
ok
<Regenaxer>
Lets ask him later
<beneroth>
ok you might have the rights. you probably have to change your user to OP status, via chanserv bot or something like that
<beneroth>
kk
<Regenaxer>
I'll call him this evening
<aw->
beneroth: what post?
<Regenaxer>
What would you suggest for the topic?
<aw->
are we already preparing to jump ship?
<beneroth>
I'm are
<beneroth>
lulz sorry my english
<aw->
perhaps it's not such a good idea to rush things
<beneroth>
I agree about not rushing to new server
<beneroth>
but I intend to go offline here when the majority of the server does, and be it just as symbolic act
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<aw->
is freenode shutting down?
<aw->
i wasn't aware that it was
<beneroth>
staff is leaving
<beneroth>
not shutting down
<beneroth>
most server capacity is donated by universities and what not all over the place, I can imagine they might drop out and join a new setup, too. but this will certainly take longer.
<beneroth>
but staff is resigning and droping (deleting) their nicks as we speak
<aw->
and i dont think it's such a big deal anyways
<aw->
i didnt even know freenode had "staff" or was an actual company and i dont see how that even affects us as a bunch of publicly speaking picolisp coders
<beneroth>
it had a company which did nothing than owning the domain
<beneroth>
and everyone expected it to stay that way forever
<beneroth>
staff (moderators, DDos protection, ...) and server capacity was all freely donated, not connected to that company
<beneroth>
now that company wants to merge the freenode network with their other businesses
<aw->
are they going to start showing ads in #picolisp ?
<beneroth>
maybe?
<beneroth>
nothing tangential known yet, afaik, but I haven't studied deeper yet.
<beneroth>
they can sell your activity data? :D
<aw->
i dont care
<aw->
i accepted +20 years ago that my IRC life is public
<aw->
even _whitelogger logs all our chats
<beneroth>
true dat. but it's a difference what they get as client and what by server side.
<aw->
anyone can access them and sell the data
<aw->
they don't get anything more than what you can see publicly
<aw->
maybe.. my registered email address?
<aw->
and password? lol
<aw->
who cares
<aw->
we're not talking about Slack or other potentially sensitive data store / cloud services
<clacke>
oh wow, next act of the freenode drama taking place right now?
<beneroth>
clacke, T
<aw->
beneroth: anyways, you're free to run off to another server if you want. I don't think we need to panic so quickly unless they decide to shutoff the servers or start causing problems for our daily discussions
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<clacke>
ok, saw the ChanServ quote by aw- now
<beneroth>
there was also a global announcement, clacke
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<beneroth>
aw-, yeah
<aw->
oh and i want to make one thing clear, I am entirely **for** openness and freedom and sharing resources etc, however I like to make calculated decisions before jumping ship like that
<beneroth>
I know, aw- :)
<aw->
particularly while the drama is still unfolding
<aw->
let the dust settle first, then we can decide a proper course of action
<aw->
but you can still unregister/change your nick if you're so paranoid ;)
<aw->
on that note, good night! :)
<Regenaxer>
Sleep well aw-!
<beneroth>
I haven't fully decided yet. I tend to leave sooner than later. But using a service which is controlled now by the former Mt. Gox people I don't trust the service to change how it works without notice.
<beneroth>
Good night aw- :)
<beneroth>
as always, thanks for your point of view!
<clacke>
there is no need to leave IRC because freenode governance is broken
<clacke>
OFTC is a drama-free network run by SPI
<beneroth>
yeah, I only talk about leaving freenode, not about abandoning IRC.
<clacke>
> In 2018, former Mt. Gox CEO Mark Karpelès was named chief technology officer of PIA's parent company, London Trust Media.
<clacke>
woah
<mtsd>
Libera seems overloaded atm,not terribly surprising
<mtsd>
Does anyone know more about hackint.org? I heard some channels are moving there
<beneroth>
hackint.org was used in the past by german Chaos Computer Club during their congress and other events, so I guess it's more in line with community than Mt Gox people
<beneroth>
but I don't know more about it, only that it is around for many years and used in the hacker community
<kluk>
I was disconnected from libera.chat altogether somehow
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<beneroth>
kluk, now again
<beneroth>
just after I copy&pasted the global announcement we discussed about
<beneroth>
maybe some special character killing your client? 0.o
<beneroth>
weird
<beneroth>
shall I try here? harhar
<kluk>
beneroth: I think my limeChat for mac is the culprit
<kluk>
I don't know a better gui client for the mac for irc :/
<kluk>
try again there please
<kluk>
let's see if it disconnects me
<beneroth>
HexChat seems available for mac
<beneroth>
-jess- [Global Notice] Hi all. It feels like my moral responsibility to inform all users that administrative control of freenode and its user data will soon change hands, and I will be resigning from freenode staff effective immediately. It's been an honour to help you all.
<kluk>
hmm...
<beneroth>
hmmm
* beneroth
stares suspiciously
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<clacke>
I wonder if there's a libera bridge at matrix.org yet
<beneroth>
hehe..it was already asked at libera #libera channel
<beneroth>
but I didn't saw an answer..but could have missed
<beneroth>
if there isn't one, then surely someone is working on it right now
oldf8l is now known as f8l
<beneroth>
hi new f8l
<f8l>
Hello beneroth of unspecified age.
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<clacke>
oh! Andrew Lee was a Mt. Gox founder too. That explains why he'd ket the other guy on as the CTO.
<clacke>
let*
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<Regenaxer>
Hi rob_w! What do you think about the above discussion?
<rob_w>
sorry wasnt online it seems
<rob_w>
just launched my irc a few minutes ago
<rob_w>
let me check the logs
<Regenaxer>
No hurry :)
<rob_w>
.. ahh its working now .. thank god ( aka Athan)
<rob_w>
oops wrong chat . sorry
<rob_w>
Regenaxer, which discussion you mean ?
<Regenaxer>
The thing that freenode staff is quitting
<rob_w>
i see ..
<Regenaxer>
Starting at 10:07 <aw-> lots of drama @ freenode
<beneroth>
yep, but it actually became stable very fast
<beneroth>
well ok, it was probably preplanned, but still
<beneroth>
freenode is the biggest IRC network I believe, by a wide margin
<beneroth>
I would recommend that we move to libera and actually close the channel here. IRC archive/logging is an open topic, but can be solved (or the guy switches too, dunno yet)
<beneroth>
but we can maybe discuss a bit at pilcon tomorrow? and/or in ML
<rob_w>
sounds good, discussions should be the way
<beneroth>
T
<beneroth>
in case we move, rob_w you should set a announcement in the topic here. or deregister and delete the channel so it becomes obvious.
<rob_w>
ride on !
<beneroth>
not saying it is settled, just saying: hey rob_w, try to be a bit online in the near time, if feasible :D
<rob_w>
if the board says so .. i will
<beneroth>
there is no board, just a hive mind :D
<rob_w>
i am online all days .. anyone can ping me anytime , Regenaxer knows that
<beneroth>
aw- already showed up at other channel, and i spent last few hours discussing stuff with kluk
* rob_w
resistance is futile
<beneroth>
where could I ping you, rob_w ?
<rob_w>
on irc ?
<rob_w>
hehehe
<beneroth>
ok, which networks :D
* beneroth
adds friend
<rob_w>
i am on quakenet as "Systrom" ... gimpnet as rob_w
<beneroth>
ok, noted
<Regenaxer>
Good, let's talk on PilCon too
<rob_w>
this time i ll be there .. i always forget it
<mtsd>
Libera seems ok now, I could register my nick without delays, at least
<Regenaxer>
rob_w, 18:00 Augsburg time
<beneroth>
mtsd, join #picolisp :)
<beneroth>
oh
<beneroth>
damn
<beneroth>
right
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, I might not be able to talk or even listen, for the first half hour or so
<rob_w>
Regenaxer, roger that !
<Regenaxer>
ok
<beneroth>
need to be in another call about a server room power off right then :/
<beneroth>
I will try to join and be as active as possibly in parallel
<rob_w>
Regenaxer, i got a crazy idea .. do you take visitors and have beers ?
<Regenaxer>
in PilCon?
<Regenaxer>
beer is always good
<rob_w>
yes ..
<beneroth>
xD
<rob_w>
but i am asking if you take visitors as of the pandemic
<beneroth>
rob_w, your crazy idea is to meet up at Regenaxer ? that was the original plan which got turned into pilcon because of the pandemic :P
<beneroth>
and that plan is just delayed.. but flying over from japan (as some people would do for that meetup) is a bit impractical currently
<Regenaxer>
Occasionally visitors, yes, neighbors usually
<rob_w>
yeah beneroth lets just hope this ends this year
<beneroth>
let's see, I'm not so sure. I expect a low time over summer and than another wave in autumn
<beneroth>
(in europe)
<Regenaxer>
Depends on the mutations
<beneroth>
but once its over we will meetup at Regenaxer
<beneroth>
and have some beers rob_w
<Regenaxer>
yeah
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, yes, mutations and vaccination progress
<rob_w>
definitly !
<beneroth>
but indian variant is already here
<beneroth>
and vaccination progress is delayed and nearing anti-vaxxers
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<beneroth>
Regenaxer, we have 5 people currently in the channel on irc.libera.chat
<beneroth>
so good amount of the active IRC community :P
<Regenaxer>
good, I check tomorrow
<beneroth>
yeah
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<rob_w>
lets keep it low on the otherside until the discussions
<rob_w>
just my 5cents .. as a silent smurf
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